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The overwhelming question I have when reading these responses is "don't you guys read salary survey data when you're looking for a new job, or at annual review time?"
I have never heard of Pave before, but this just sounds like yet another copy of Equifax's "The Work Number" [1]. Basically, HR at many companies gives your salary and employment history data to Equifax, who then sells access to the information to certain parties with supposed need to access it, including potential and current employers and creditors. This report is likely one of the most invasive consumer files out…
These services feel not dissimilar to the Realpagr case that is ongoing now with rent price fixing. How does this ultimately not end up having a depressing impact on salaries?
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No, it is simply an idea to live and let live. Sane people escape California or New York where one must be insanely wealthy to live a decent life. In most of the US, you can do your thing and no one will bother you. Most hellishly expensive places would become affordable and fun if they implemented Texas-style zoning. Now, obnoxious white people in Silicon Valley would be upset that multifamily housing had allowed di…
Btw anyone else seen that bear rummaging around? Any idea how to get rid of it?
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Zoning, ok, but yellow cabs are now often cheaper than Uber. Last time I took a ride from the airport the difference was not small, like 50%.
compete or die
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Teeth like employment at-will?
It's generally quite unlikely that sharing your salary is going to result in getting bitten by that. You'd need to do labour organization (or be completely surrounded by rats and snitches and other vermin at your workplace, who already have an axe to grind) to actually get blowback for this stuff. Most of the taboo around it is cultural, because people here attach their self-worth to their paycheck. You could also al…
I guess my issue with all the “it’s just info” arguments is this. Employers inherently have an information advantage in salary negotiations. A tool like Pave drastically increases that imbalance. How am I ever going to realistically negotiate salary vs a company that has this level of information (even during performance reviews)? And frankly something that worries me is, what level of data are they getting? If it’s…
Your salary negotiation point speaks more to a call for open salary data, which many people have been arguing for. You're missing a lot with your second point though. If a company has excellent salary data and can put in you a band, then it also means that you have better grounds to argue for raises when you gain experience, or argue if you are underpaid, or even find jobs at companies who intentionally pay a higher…
On the second point, I would argue that you have very little ability to determine when you’ve gained enough experience as an employee to argue for a raise. Whereas an employer with access to Pave has a _ton_ of ability to determine whether you have or have not. Yours is based entirely on personal experience and feel, plus maybe talking to a few coworkers. Theirs is based on aggregated data from thousands of employees
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… and the usage? Most highly-paid people have no idea how much privilege this affords them. You wonder why so many businesses are nice to you? It’s because they’ve already looked you up and know you’ve got a high income and are a millionaire. Write a personal check for your next automobile? Sure thing, you can drive it off the lot a few minutes later. They won’t even bother cashing the check for a week or two. Try do…
> Write a personal check for your next automobile? Personal check? What year is this?!? :-)
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Yeah I used to work for the navy. Pay was standardized under the GS pay schedule and anybody could have looked that up. I was fine with that. In the private sector, your comp is determined by a negotiation undermined by an asymmetric information disparity. HR at a hiring company has way more information around market comp as it is without having your exact current comp when they make an offer. What I find particularl…
There are countries (Sweden IIRC) where the salary record is public, probably to eliminate this information asymmetry.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2018/11/finland-has-just-publ...
As long as Pave just helps employers look backward in time so to speak I’m not sure I’d call it collusion. But if they enable some kind of coordination between future potential employers, then yes, maybe it is.
In the RealPage case the coordination aspect consisted of providing a recommended rent for the property if I understand it correctly. I guess the equivalent for Pave would be if they gave a recommendation on what compensation to offer.