Generally speaking people on HN are well established in their career and have families of their own, so work is less of a priority for them. I'm 21 and actually prefer being in the office because I live with family and hate having to use my bedroom as an office. I like seeing people and being able to swing my chair around to look at a problem together. I want a dedicated work space to enter 'work mode' in. But my com…
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#292People who like being exclusively in-office work for company x, people who want only remote company y, people who like hybrid company z, etc.? I feel like there are a million possible legit reasons to prefer different modes, and now there are more choices available.
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#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
WFO isn't necessarily about personal preference. People who want everyone to WFO believe that WFO produces better outcomes for the company. That is different than someone who desires to work from an office or remotely out of personal preference. For instance, I may prefer to WFH because it makes my life more convenient, but I can also accept that WFO produces better outcomes for the company. Personally, I haven't see…
Trying to map BLS productivity data to WFH performance in the current economy and environment is absolutely crazy
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#294With all due respect, this is mostly my problem with the "work-from-office" (WFO for ease) crowd. Generally, the stance of the WFH crowd is that each individual should get a choice of what makes that individual happy. Very few, if any, of the WFH crowd want mandatated WFH, it would make no sense. But then the WFO crowd often says no, I don't care what makes you happy, because you being in makes me happy. That doesn't…
Not sure I agree - the hybrid model where some are in office and some on video is unfair to the remote folks. Watching coworkers whiteboard from a zoom call makes it much harder to collaborate as the remote employee. It’s also harder to get a turn to speak when you are a face on the camera vs in the room. For these reasons I’ve insisted that in hybrid meetings, everyone dials in individually and whiteboards on a virt…
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#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can literally flip the O and H and change the “what makes me happy” part to get the opposite side’s point of view. No. The points of view are not equal and opposite. Some people who advocate WFO do so because they just want to work in an office (for various reaons) and they don't care how many co-workers do the same. But others want other people to also be present in the office to create the environment that th…
It just seems like those people should work at different companies. Having a mix of people who prefer WFO and WFH seems like the worst of both worlds. (WFO people don't get the atmosphere that they desire, WFH people are second-class citizens for collaborative activites, WFH seniors have reduced ability to mentor their juniors, WFH people still need to live a commutable distance from the office).
Why is that?
I find screen-share mentoring on dev stuff that more fruitful I stuck to that even when forced back into office. Less covid, less other awkward closeness, better for ears and eyes :) (Admitted, only non-computer-work mentoring is different).
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#296For a lot of people, certainly in my case, the benefits of remote far outweigh the benefits of in person. At least in the US public transportation is either nonexistent or so bad it's not even worth using which means we have long commutes. Hours a day in some cases so moving to remote work immediately frees up dozens of hours of free time per month. Lots of folks in IT have ASD or something close to it and noisy chaotic offices make it impossible to do focused work.
In any case there are certainly plenty of Companies that are back to fully in person so why not just work for one of those? No one is forcing you to stay remote if you don't want it.
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#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every time I’ve traveled for work, they do not expense the portion where you leave from your home. It’s up to you to get to work. So if you drive, you “leave from the office” (i.e. calc the distance from there), or drive to the airport, and getting from home to the airport is on you. Curious to hear if this is different for others.
If your principal “work location” is home, then the travel is a business expense and your employer should pay. Many articles on this when you Google, but here’s one from a CPA https://www.bpbcpa.com/the-rules-employers-must-know-for-rei...
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#298With all due respect, this is mostly my problem with the "work-from-office" (WFO for ease) crowd. Generally, the stance of the WFH crowd is that each individual should get a choice of what makes that individual happy. Very few, if any, of the WFH crowd want mandatated WFH, it would make no sense. But then the WFO crowd often says no, I don't care what makes you happy, because you being in makes me happy. That doesn't…
I'd also add that comments like this: > Now, I am fully aware that there's a low of people for whom the horror of commute doesn't make up for the gains of socializing and others that just abhor having to talk to real-life people. Then there are people who work mainly to get paid and do not care to invest themselves beyond what is necessary. Are remarkably condescending. Folks opting for a better work-life balance, wh…
I suspect there are two big difference between OP and many of the readers here.
At least for sure, Berlin vs most major US cities is night and day different in terms of commute and enjoyment opportunity. Berlin is a fun city full of things to do, places to eat, and clubs. Plus it's all accessible without a car.
Meanwhile, in the US, it's usually a very different story. Doing something after work often involves a much greater time cost, thereby reducing the likelihood that someone will partake of the opportunity. So office work is more likely just office work with no after-work fun.
Just like most people in the US have no clue what life is like in the big EU cities, most Europeans have no idea how different US life is. I've lived both, and I can say without question that it's easier to have a fun office+after-office experience in a city like Amsterdam or Berlin (or London probably) than Denver, Dallas, or most other big US cities.
OP likely doesn't factor this in and comes to the naive conclusion that it must mean we don't like talking to people.
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#299The only way I survive remote work is because I now have a family. Wife, two kids, dog, couple cats. Plenty of stuff always needing to be done around the house, I can always find something to occupy me. There is always someone to talk to if I want to (the kids go to school, but my wife works from home too).
So I feel your pain. And I think there are more of us than you think, we are just not particularly outspoken. It's just not cool to have such thoughts these days, as you have noted.
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#300Instead, people have simply decided that theh will WFH instead, an option which isn’t available to the majority of workers, who are generally not as privileged as the people who can WFH.
The next step will be all the WFH people who are almost certainly significantly higher earners complaining about having to pay taxes towards improving commutes and public transit which they don’t even use, so gradually public transit will get worse and/or more expensive at the turnstile, making life even worse for the largely underprivileged who don’t have the option to WFH.
The push for WFH has been approached entirely from an individual perspective, which will result in further separation between the privileged and the rest, a further rise in inequality, a further increase in social disunity and a further destruction in community.
It didn’t have to be this way. We could have approached WFH in a much more community oriented way, having people WFH but simultaneously investing in making the lives of those who don’t/cannot WFH easier as well, through investing in better public transport, etc.