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Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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My fear is that the 'All Birds Nerds' exclude 'Nerd Nerds'. 'nerd nerds' don't know what they are doing in terms of presentation or communication. If 'nerd nerds' are 'hip' it's completely by accident. I also think 'nerd nerds' just say whatever, meaning that occasionally they will say something un-PC, or lacking in empathy and be 'pushed out' for that reason. There was a time (and some people are still like this) wh…

I suspect, with no evidence, that the distinction you are making here can be described as neurotypical nerds (what you call All Birds nerds) versus neurodivergent nerds (autistic, adhd, whatever you want to bucket them under) Neurodivergent people tend to have a bit less of a social filter, they are more direct and honest, often to the point of bluntness (leading to the 'just say whatever' behavior you mentioned) The…

I think you’ve done a good job of summarizing the landscape – it matches my experience.

The progression seems to be the decline of the nerd-nerd monoculture in the professional tech environment. With some irony, the increase in diversity is from the non-neurodiverse. Product managers, engineering managers, vertically integrated teams.

I believe on the most part this creates healthier productivity for the business – but likely at the social expense of the neurodiverse. Their technical skills can be more readily exploited by the hustlers.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Sturgeon’s law + survival bias. The future is full of hopes and dreams; the past only remembers the fulfillments of those hopes and dreams. The present contains people working on fulfilling hopes and dreams, plus, in great surplus, a bunch of other stuff that nobody will care to remember 10 years from now.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Regarding programming languages: the majority of programmers work for companies using boring technology, so money is seldomly spent on developing new and exciting technologies that go beyond or above what we have now. It's always just going deeper into existing stuff because it's used and needs to be improved, but radically new languages, compilers, tools, etc. are risky and expensive so they're avoided.

We still work with text files, line by line. Programming languages unspool and lose their state upon encountering an error and deciphering pages of stacktraces is left to the programmer. State cannot really be saved and resumed. Everything needs to be desperately backwards compatible even when that means dragging problems along from version to version. The cool things are mostly academic and don't make it into the mainstream.

Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Dystopia how? Social networks and their ilk are something that we are struggling with and has impacted society, definitely, but it isn't dystopian (not that it won't go that way). But "software" in general? I don't see any indicators - what do you mean by that statement? Have any examples?

I have a few examples. The loss of ownership over Software. The blatant privacy violations. Free Software + ads combination. The consolidation of vital pieces Software into a very small set(sometimes singleton) of companies. The loss of user agency in Software. Literal killer autonomous robots.

Part of what you describe is monopoly. That's not new. That's what capitalism tends toward.

The other parts you describe are all about connectedness. Or side effects of connectedness. Largely due to the Internet and partially to cell then smart phones. Those are new tech that humans haven't quite made peace with yet.

That happens with all tech changes, belive it or not. Over a century ago electrification was jarring. All sorts of magical devices [1] used electricity. And electricity was dangerous! [2] There was also the less obvious danger of con artists, who with sufficiently technological-seeming devices are indistinguishable from magicians (apologies to Clarke!). And the whole thing was such confusing upheaval to society that Rube Goldberg [3] helped people cope by laughing about it.

[1] https://www.announcingit.com/invitations-blog/what-came-firs...

[2] https://science.howstuffworks.com/innovation/science-questio...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rube_Goldberg

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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I think it's because we still haven't figured out how to architect how economy and society properly. We better systems to promote good outcomes.

Technology has always been a means to an end -- I say that as someone which has always been fascinated by tech, due to my attraction to understanding, creativity and invention.

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I am working with a friend on a system to better reward websites and technologies without requiring advertisements. Think a small payment going to every website you visit, every service you use automatically. You would get some control over how to distribute those payments. Maybe we could set up worldwide funds that reward software based on their contributions to society. You could have local institutions suggesting and supporting funding projects -- distributed, democratic, rational, fair, .

Jane Goodall has been saying all humanity needs to flourish is to get 'the head and the heart' to work in harmony -- which I think means to say we need a society where our work, and our tech, and everything is contributing to make the world awesome -- to promote sustainability, to make healthy happy lives, to make rich amazing existences.

We kind of have the tools at our disposal... this century is a very decisive one, where we show that we are capable of growing and achieving an amazing civilization (and not collapse due to environmental ruin, greed, conflict).

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Drones only became technically feasible on the shoulders of the mems development for cellphones, so, no. The Lego-if-I-cation of digital hardware is a relatively recent thing. (Yeah, there was radio shack and Heathkit, but the barriers to entry are MUCH smaller today)

> The Lego-if-I-cation of digital hardware is a relatively recent thing. That happened in the 80s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lego_Mindstorms

I was unclear, you’re not wrong, but I meant getting a $5 cpu and a $6 WiFi module and a $5 humidity sensor and a $2 power controller and a $10 lipo battery. The components are like Legos.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Advertisements and telemetry made it so much more uncool.

But you touch on the real thing here.

>Wherever I looked at the world's problems, more technology seemed to be the answer.

The more you get into just what and how those problems are, the less will it seem that technology is an answer to anything. Technology can cure my loved one but I'll lose them some time nevertheless. Give people something to eat yet not solving starvation. Elevated the lives of many yet haven't eliminated even extreme poverty. Technology reshaped the world but we're still the same humans we always were (terms and conditions apply) - and so, our fundamental problem were, are, and will ever be the same.

There's not even a solution to this, as a feeling. You "just" need to move on with life. Tech can be exciting again but that won't come from the outside.

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What are GSB and HBS here?

I think it means Standford Graduate School of Business, and Harvard Business School.

Sorry, yes, QuantumYeti is correct; specifically talking about MBA programs at Harvard and Stanford

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Slightly off-topic (but related to your comment) - do you know of any company or organization that's truly for public welfare? Or, any VC that cares more about society than a super-high rate of return where such a society-focused company can be launched/funded?

MITRE maybe? They're a US government-supported non-profit R&D company.

Kind of but they're really a government agency in essence, no? I mean that's like calling In-Q-Tel a nonproft, really it's just the CIA's venture arm in a nonprofit shell for legal/management reasons

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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I have a few examples. The loss of ownership over Software. The blatant privacy violations. Free Software + ads combination. The consolidation of vital pieces Software into a very small set(sometimes singleton) of companies. The loss of user agency in Software. Literal killer autonomous robots.

Part of what you describe is monopoly. That's not new. That's what capitalism tends toward. The other parts you describe are all about connectedness. Or side effects of connectedness. Largely due to the Internet and partially to cell then smart phones. Those are new tech that humans haven't quite made peace with yet. That happens with all tech changes, belive it or not. Over a century ago electrification was jarring.…

None of my points are about connectedness. Not sure which points you are talking about. Only thing you might link to connectedness is loss of privacy. But you can leave privacy perfectly intact with full connectedness.

I also disagree with your point that such thing happens with all tech. Electricity didn't take away the agency of humanity. Electricity doesn't go out and kill a person based on what electricity judges to be worthy. Such answers are a copout.

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