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Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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1) Schedule a meeting with your manager and ask for a mentor. Tell them what their manager said and say that you want to do the best work you can do if they could get a good mentor, you will work hard to meet future expectations.

2) email your manager’s manager and thank them for their point of view. Tell them that you have taken it to heart and tell them the actions you are taking, namely getting a mentor to help guide you.

Don’t make excuses. Just tell them both you want to do the best job possible and want to learn.

Doing this without making excuses or sounding butt hurt because your feelings were hurt will elevate you in their eyes.

And you should move on and stop feeling butt hurt. Accept it, get the mentorship and learn. In the end it’s not a big deal but it’s a good opportunity to act the way professionals act and getting mentorship will help.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure. I'm glad he told me, otherwise I wouldn't have known I was undershooting his expectations. I did make mistakes that made the project taking longer than it had to. I guess if I want to keep working here I'll need to find a way to make fewer mistakes like that in the future.

> I guess if I want to keep working here I'll need to find a way to make fewer mistakes like that in the future. Communication is the answer. If you think you're going to quietly go back to your laptop and solve all of these problems by being more careful, you'll probably end up disappointed. You should take this as a learning opportunity to improve your communication skills. Communicate early and often. Ask for feed…

To piggy back on this, you will most definitely work with and for people who are malicious and gaslight you. Not saying that is the case here, but even if it is, a valuable skill is learning how to cope through it and work with those individuals. It isn't easy, but it is more sustainable than just being a victim.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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I doubt that this comment will surface to the point where the OP can find it, but just in case -- I'm not sure if it's obvious whether they're saying that you need to improve communicating or improving something technical.

One of the things I needed to learn in a real job was that if things aren't going well they need to know loudly and early in order to fix it. They can't allocate resources if they don't know things are behind.

If they don't see progress, what I hear is that they want more regular updates about what is being done because while you may be making progress on things it's not being recorded in a way that reminds them about it. That is frustrating and takes some effort to handle. You could send them more emails that feel unnecessary to you but are intended to make them feel involved and up to date. You could simply write down what you accomplished each week so that you can be specific about it.

I hope it works out okay, it sounds like either your manager needs to do a much better job backing you up or else there may be some maybe not too bad communication steps that can be taken to make them more confident about what is going on.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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> Part of the reason it had taken so long is because I put a substantial amount of work into a part of the project that's no longer necessary due to changing requirements, which I don't think I could have forseen. One of the things that I've experienced with new grad junior devs is that there's an adjustment needed to change from academic working to business working. In academia, usually the professor gives an assign…

Definitely agree, I would say, if you think about something we might have fallen short (likely) go ahead and say it, the abilities to see your own shortcoming is gold for a manager.

They should be expecting rough edges with a junior dev, but if you are willing to talk about your weakness real or imagined you will grow fast.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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As a manager, I have learned that when projects are delayed, 9/10 it is due to bad management (of either the direct manager or the project manager). Conditional of course that the developer has a sufficient amount of skills and is motivated, which you seem to be. In my early experiences as a manager, I was frustrated when projects where not delivered on time, and below the expectations. After several iterations on se…

I just left my job because of a new first time manager who had the EXACT problems you mentioned above.

Good to see you have the self awareness to fix this in yourself. My manager went completely ballistic every time something didn't meet his never mentioned "expectations." He's fired 2 people and one person just left our team... and upper management doesn't give two shits. It's like they're so uncaring of his incompetence that likely he isn't getting any sort of reprimand.

If my manager is learning lessons from all this garbage, good for fucking him, however it's his employees that are the ones paying the ultimate price for his lessons. I hate this guy like no one I've ever hated in my entire life.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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Communication, you need to actively communicate what you're doing. I didn't really hear anything about how you communicated yourself throughout the project in your description, only what you said/thought at the end, and the merits and elegance of your code and how hard you worked - that's all nice but you're not being paid for elegance, nor for struggle; you're getting paid to get business needs accomplished on a timeline, maybe you can do that in an elegant way and maybe it'll take a lot of work but that's all largely besides the point.

Work in companies is largely about expectation management. You set an expectation for how long something is gonna take, how much effort something will require; if you're going to overrun that or things get more difficult than you think, then you need to communicate early and often that that's going to be the case. This is a large part of what makes professionals "professional".

If there's a problem that you have a potential solution to, you communicate that you're going to work on that problem—maybe your boss actually thinks it isn't an important problem and will stop you from wasting your time and energy on something that doesn't really matter to the end goal. Maybe they'll let you know that the requirements are changing and actually you should focus on something else, which yes you couldn't have predicted but yes you also could have potentially realized earlier.

That can only happen if both you and your manager/boss are communicating well. So hold up your side of the communication channel, and communicate when you think your manager/boss isn't holding up their side. That can be a sensitive and culture/person-specific challenge, though, but that's the challenge of working on a team.

There is little direct value to the company for you to struggle on something or feel like you learned a lot from doing something, there's value when you produce things that help the company get stronger, and no amount of struggle or effort really factors into that end outcome. Best result is everyone gets the most done with the minimum effort in the shortest time frame, no way that happens without a lot of communication.

There's a lot of nerd-rage voices in this thread (and in HN in general) talking about how your boss is the evil pointy-haired boss and you should set the company ablaze. That may ultimately be true but I'd take that advice with a huge grain of salt, these are random people on the internet with their own eccentricities and bones to pick from their own experiences, who have no idea the nuance of the situation you're in. Don't get indignant, it doesn't help anyone, if it really is bad you can decide that after you've collected more evidence of things you don't like about working there and leave voluntarily, but really doesn't sound that bad just yet and doesn't sound like you think it is either.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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> He looks at the code and criticizes design decisions, some of which were made largely on my manager's explicit suggestions. (When I bring this up, he says I probably just misinterpreted an offhand comment of hers as a hard requirement.)

This is very hard to do and feels very unfair, but try to own this rather than say "but this is what I was told to do." If the person is a manager she isn't writing code day to day; she is likely experienced and can offer helpful suggestions, but she can be wrong or vague, or you may simply not be familiar with the way she uses certain terms. Try to discuss these suggestions with technical leaders or the more senior engineers on the team, they will likely have more context.

Make sure you're actively listening to what people are really saying in meetings. Volunteer to take notes if it helps and then review them with the participants at the end to make sure you got their key points.

When I worked at Amazon, I was really impressed by how seriously folks took the "Leadership Principles." Two particularly struck out: "disagree and commit" and "have a backbone." Obviously the two conflict with each other at first view, but on a second look the theme is the same: know when and how to listen to others and accept their suggestions, but also know when and how to convince others to accept yours.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

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This boss telling you that they felt the project should have been done a long time ago: I wonder who that comment benefits? Feels like no one. You get bummed, they give late feedback without a lot of constructive aspects to it. I am trying to think of one way it was useful to tell you that, but I can’t. Seems like you should feel justified in not being a fan of working under this person. What you do with that is hard…

I agree with this sentiment. And in fact, I’ll take it further: I’m not sure any “you should have” phrase is ever beneficial UNLESS it’s in the context of giving guidance about the future. And even then, it’s better to phrase it as “next time, I would suggest…” This has been a pet peeve of mine for a long time. “You should have” phrases are often used to berate or make the recipient feel bad while acting as a vent fo…

At my workplace, we have explicitly banned the use of "should have".
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