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Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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the__alchemist wrote: post #274
syntaxing wrote: post #256

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What does “without learning about 3DP” mean? Why should a user need to know the in and outs of a 3D printer to enjoy 3D printing? I never really understood that gate keeping. From a technical perspective, Bambulab printers are cheaper and better in my opinion. Prusa just did too little and too late sticking with their i3 bed slinger. Of course they have the Prusa XL and Prusa Core now but they were late by over two y…

You are missing the subtext in discussions about 3D printing online. Many people who discuss 3D printing are doing it because they enjoy it as a hobby and skill. They value learning to tweak and upgrade the products, troubleshoot problems, and knowledge about brands and models. If you are just trying to make prototypes, enclosures, parts etc, you will get confused without this context.

Well, I'd love to be able to just download the atl, and literally _print_ it from my phone or laptop, the same way I print PDF.

I just don't have enough waking hours to tinker with everything hobbyists around expect me to tinker.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by dangus »

wpm wrote: post #197
dangus wrote: post #180

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I did read up on them when they and I feel like the Internet echo chamber inflated the issues and Bambu basically addressed all of them reasonably well.

Are you talking just about the "Authorization" thing? Or did you read about them abusing Printables to reverse engineer it for their own copy-cat platform?

Both.

Scraping a site isn’t illegal or immoral.

None of this impacts the customer negatively in any way.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by giveita »

RickS wrote: post #30

Bambu P1S, no question. Enclosed with filter for ABS fumes etc. Personally I've only used their A1, but it's the best printer I've ever used by far, and it's the first one that you can treat like a paper printer: plop it down, ignore it til you need to print, hit print and assume it works with no supervision. An absolute joy. It's also FAST compared to last gen printers. They do have a bunch of cloud service BS and p…

He asked for a good printer not a great one:)

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by horsawlarway »

deno wrote: post #127
pests wrote: post #98

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The 3D printing community is really two different groups: people who like to actually print things and people who like to tinker with their printer.

I hate this false dichotomy. Plenty of people like both. People that buy expensive consumer grade printers are just satisfied with mediocre results because they don’t know any better. To get great quality prints you need to actually know how the tool you are using works and what are its strengths and weaknesses.

I agree entirely with your first two sentences (I like both).

But I disagree pretty hard with the rest of it. An X1C spits out prints that are higher quality than my ender 3 would do, in a variety of materials the ender couldn't handle, even with a HUGE amount of time understanding the ender and how it works (incl upgrading or replacing just about every component).

Further - I think some of the divide is between the folks printing models, and the folks printing functional parts.

When I print nice models (ex: toys for my kids or gifts) then sure - I tweak still because appearances matter.

But if I just want a functional print because I need an enclosure for an electronics project, or I want a hanger for my wall, or I need a new footpad for a desk... Mediocre is a-ok.

And again... The X1C is not spitting out mostly mediocre parts. If anything - the "learning" you need to do mostly lives in the slicers/models at this point.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by noone_youknow »

subscribed wrote: post #281
the__alchemist wrote: post #274

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You are missing the subtext in discussions about 3D printing online. Many people who discuss 3D printing are doing it because they enjoy it as a hobby and skill. They value learning to tweak and upgrade the products, troubleshoot problems, and knowledge about brands and models. If you are just trying to make prototypes, enclosures, parts etc, you will get confused without this context.

Well, I'd love to be able to just download the atl, and literally _print_ it from my phone or laptop, the same way I print PDF. I just don't have enough waking hours to tinker with everything hobbyists around expect me to tinker.

Same here. I got a Bambu X1C and have been very happy with it.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by zdp7 »

Mogzol wrote: post #249
zdp7 wrote: post #115

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Lan Only works by making you use the Bambu connect software. If the Bambu Connect software isn't running, Orca cannot start a print job or control the printer. It doesn't sound too onerous, but it should be mentioned that LAN only wasn't added till users gave 'feedback'. I suspect the original intent was Bambu Slicer only. https://blog.bambulab.com/updates-and-third-party-integratio...

It's the other way around. You can only connect to orca slicer or other programs if you are in LAN only mode. Otherwise you need Bambu connect. Or just stay on the previous firmware version and you never need Bambu connect.

That's not correct.

"Standard Mode (Default): By default, LAN mode will include an authorization process that ensures robust security. This option is ideal for the majority of users who prioritize security and ease of use. Despite claims to the contrary, LAN mode through Bambu Connect will require neither internet access nor a user account. This hasn't changed and won't change." With the firmware that implemented security in, third party only speaks through Bambu Connect. Reading the page I included that information and if you go to the original security update announcement, it is clear you can only use Bambu Connect for third party access. In addition you lose the ability to control the printer.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by the__alchemist »

subscribed wrote: post #281
the__alchemist wrote: post #274

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You are missing the subtext in discussions about 3D printing online. Many people who discuss 3D printing are doing it because they enjoy it as a hobby and skill. They value learning to tweak and upgrade the products, troubleshoot problems, and knowledge about brands and models. If you are just trying to make prototypes, enclosures, parts etc, you will get confused without this context.

Well, I'd love to be able to just download the atl, and literally _print_ it from my phone or laptop, the same way I print PDF. I just don't have enough waking hours to tinker with everything hobbyists around expect me to tinker.

Yea same; switching from Crealty to Raise3D E2 was a game changer. "just works".

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by trenchpilgrim »

imtringued wrote: post #234
sho_hn wrote: post #152

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It's worth noting though that this part of the game is about to change majorly for both brands. Prusa is widely known to launch their next-generation tool changer at Formnext in Nov, which is going to be a concept where you have a rack of nozzle+heatpipe+filament tube tools that the print head grabs and heats up inductively. And Bambu is more or less working on something similar they will probably launch some time ne…

Maybe because you're incorrect about the AMS being the problem? The AMS merely feeds the correct filament. It's not the fault of the AMS that the printer doesn't have multiple nozzles.

The problem with the AMS is it feeds all the filaments into one nozzle so it requires a purge every time the color changes. There are other filament spool designs without this problem.

Re: Ask HN: What's a good 3D Printer for sub $1000?

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Post by trenchpilgrim »

sho_hn wrote: post #260
eco wrote: post #235

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Prusa is going to use Bondtech's upcoming INDX system, which swaps out the entire filament path. Bambu Vortek seems to just be swapping nozzles so, while that should cut down on waste, it's going to be much slower (XL is already much faster than AMS based printers but comes at a substantial price increase). INDX tool changes are expected to be around 8-12 seconds. Vortek would be probably be around 30+ seconds.

Interesting, yeah. I'm mainly interested in making multi-material faster without upping to the size of an XL, so it looks like the Prusa solution would be a better fit for my needs personally. If Bambu are only swapping nozzles it also means they still need something AMS-like to swap the filament path, which somehow feels a bit clunky. I think having seperate filament paths is overall a cleaner and simpler design. So…

No need to speculate, Bambu posted a video of their design:

https://youtu.be/rluJj3NEdQA

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