You're at the very top of a deeeep stack that reaches down through the browser, out to system libraries, into the kernel, out through proprietary firmware to hardware devices. There is a lot of diversity in tech, maybe it would help you to explore the full depth of that ocean and reach down to the sea floor and up to space. Most of the stack now has open alternatives that explorable by individual developers.
Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding
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Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding
#282I doubt you hate coding. You probably just hate your job, I know I do. In fact, while it has taken me 8 years, I have come to the realization that I hate all jobs. I hate that someone is getting richer off my back while at the same time destroying any passion I have for something that I have always been passionate about. I hate the entire industry. I hate working with other software engineers. I hate having a manager…
I used to have that feeling too. Getting out of the work loop was the best thing I did, luckily in Finland it was possible due to the support system here, so I was not left all on my own.
On that time, worked on my own software and passions. This lead to being able to work again with a team and with somebody else, but now on something that is my passion and that I love doing (most of the time).
Just encouraging to make the jump!
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Assembly lines are for robots/automation...if you need more time to organize the assebly line then to weld...well better then dont use a assembliline. Over all your example is flawed.
Sorry but you are the robot, just with wetware instead of firmware. The robots on the assembly line spend more time moving than they do welding.
A robot would go forward a makes something that brings money/energy and not wasting time by answering my comment ;)
If you think humans are robots then tell me why we have feelings and not just laws/rules.
Harari and his "Homo Deus" has a bit of your mindset, and i think he is totally wrong (for the future).
>The robots on the assembly line spend more time moving than they do welding.
Yes and humans spend more time breathing than programming, again your example is flawed.
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You're just lucky to work in a company with a good codebase. I'm sure there's plenty toxic environments with shitty codebases written in Go where you wouldn't like working there at all. You're giving too much credit to how much the programming language matters imo.
You are correct to an extent, but its a fallacy to assume the language and tooling have no impact on the culture or people it attracts. Go is very specifically not "elegant", it has a stdlib where npm has hundreds of dependencies which differ between projects. Errors in JS (Ruby, etc) can come from unexpected places, but the code can elegantly hide them. In Go they are in your face at all times -- but then they rarel…
> You are correct to an extent, but its a fallacy to assume the language and tooling have no impact on the culture or people it attracts
If the company is doing anything web related it will have JS people somewhere right? And it might also choose to make everyone full stack (so doing both Go and JS) or making some of the teams hybrid. That's quite common. I don't really see much difference between a company that chooses Go to a company that chooses Node (or Ruby, whatever), they both have their pros and cons and it doesn't tell me that much about the people I'll be working with.
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The trick is to get lucky once. There's nothing more to it. It was a work of love that panned out. If I had to start again tomorrow, I'd probably really struggle to reproduce that success.
That's a very honest assessment, thanks. Hope to be in similar shoes to yours one day.
And I hope to stay in those shoes until the soles fall off. Once you have a taste of that life, I don't know how you can attend another Scrum meeting.
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Couldn't this be done by giving the devs some transparency into how it's killing their team's budget and reminders, instead, so that they'd manage this themselves? Because this sounds super frustrating to deal with.
We kind of already have. We built a CLI that allows them to create/update/delete/list all their dev envs, so they have all the tooling needed. Also, we are still a small/medium sized company, so we often had the chance to talk with them to expose this issue, but in the end it never really worked.
A weekly digest over email, or a dashboard on a real screen if you all work out or the same office, indicating costs and what's contributing to them. That will do wonders.
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We kind of already have. We built a CLI that allows them to create/update/delete/list all their dev envs, so they have all the tooling needed. Also, we are still a small/medium sized company, so we often had the chance to talk with them to expose this issue, but in the end it never really worked.
A weekly digest over email, or a dashboard on a real screen if you all work out or the same office, indicating costs and what's contributing to them. That will do wonders.
That will also add a lot of overhead/maintenance cost that we can't currently handle.
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> " All of this, to dabble in code " I'm not a professional programmer, and when my laptop takes 10 minutes to start moving the mouse cursor smoothly after waking from a weekend suspend (today!), I'm pointing fingers at you all, the professional "dabblers" who don't understand computers, don't understand firewalls, don't understand databases, don't understand algorithms, don't understand garbage collectors, don't und…
> when my laptop takes 10 minutes to start moving the mouse cursor smoothly after waking from a weekend suspend Apologies for not reading your comment fully, but in this specific instance it's because a weekend suspend causes hibernation, which means all your RAM is saved to the disk. The file can be pretty large (same as your RAM, say 32GB) but reading it fully takes much longer (at 200MB/s it's three minutes). In o…
Takes 2 seconds on my Mac, just like on any regular Tuesday.
Re: Ask HN: I’m falling out of love with coding
#289The red tape is garroting us. My wife's dev environment VMs are 'remediated' at 8pm regardless if she's using them or not - there is no override policy - and the company is singing the success story of saving 40 dollars in licensing. At another corporation, it can take several weeks to learn how to fill out the IAM role and permission boundaries to allow a new app to run - and a governance board has to review it and…
> " All of this, to dabble in code " I'm not a professional programmer, and when my laptop takes 10 minutes to start moving the mouse cursor smoothly after waking from a weekend suspend (today!), I'm pointing fingers at you all, the professional "dabblers" who don't understand computers, don't understand firewalls, don't understand databases, don't understand algorithms, don't understand garbage collectors, don't und…
I'm quite positive ChatGPT wrote this to troll us.
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Fun to read this comment, as I'm part of the team that deployed the exact same measure as for your wife: we now shutdown dev environments each day at 8PM. We decided to do so because over the weeks, we saw that a lot of devs "forgot" about their dev envs and they were up & running for 6+ months for absolutely nothing. On the other side, we are constantly requested to reduce infra costs, and dev environments (even unu…
How much does it cost to have a single environment running overnight? Not shutting down my machine saves me 2-5 minutes probably. Which seems like it might be worth a few pennies, but I hate the waste and environmental costs of wasted energy. What we really need is a program that shuts off a devs environment, but then can boot it back up 5 minutes before they start working and somehow open all the applications that w…
Initially, we were using kube-downscaler to do this. It stops a namespace at a given time and restart it in the morning. However, a lot of namespaces (= dev env in out case) were restarted for nothing, so we created our own tool that stops them at 8PM, and restart them when the dev runs a command with our internal CLI.