isn't it a classic case, lets say there is a domain , and doing good business. I will go and book a the same name with different extension lets say domain.xyz and get a trademark. Now I will sue the original domain owner and extort money out of him without even having a business. I am really curious now what happens when we ignore such people who tries to create a hostile situation.
Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
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Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#282Earlier quoted context omitted.
In general? Sure. When dealing with hostile unwanted contact? Not particularly. Nobody here has advocated harassing someone's wife or children. That's a straw man you created.
> If phone calls at inconvenient-to-them times end up bothering their family as well, it's because they didn't do the work to separate their family from their ugly business. Real ‘nice family you have there, shame if someone would scare them with a few calls at 2am’ vibe there, and you know it.
It's more like don't harass people and then expect having a family will shield you from the repercussions.
These nastygram shakedowns deliberately cause personal stress to their victims (there is little other reason to send baseless legal demands), and so escalating the situation to be personally stressful for the attackers seems like an appropriate response.
As far as I can tell you're arguing that it's one thing to harass people during "business hours", but there is some greater principle whereby harassing them back at off hours is wrong because it might bother their personal associates.
If you don't want to get phone calls at inconvenient times either don't be a shithead in the first place (so that people calling you respect your schedule), or figure out how to silence your phones.
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#283Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If phone calls at inconvenient-to-them times end up bothering their family as well, it's because they didn't do the work to separate their family from their ugly business. Real ‘nice family you have there, shame if someone would scare them with a few calls at 2am’ vibe there, and you know it.
It's more like don't harass people and then expect having a family will shield you from the repercussions. These nastygram shakedowns deliberately cause personal stress to their victims (there is little other reason to send baseless legal demands), and so escalating the situation to be personally stressful for the attackers seems like an appropriate response. As far as I can tell you're arguing that it's one thing to…
> escalating the situation to be personally stressful for the attackers seems like an appropriate response
I'd morally disagree with that. Shouldn't deliberately cause someone personal stress, no matter what they've done to you.
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's more like don't harass people and then expect having a family will shield you from the repercussions. These nastygram shakedowns deliberately cause personal stress to their victims (there is little other reason to send baseless legal demands), and so escalating the situation to be personally stressful for the attackers seems like an appropriate response. As far as I can tell you're arguing that it's one thing to…
> escalating the situation to be personally stressful for the attackers seems like an appropriate response I'd morally disagree with that. Shouldn't deliberately cause someone personal stress, no matter what they've done to you.
> I'd morally disagree with that. Shouldn't deliberately cause someone personal stress, no matter what they've done to you
So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here.
This whole "conversation" has been you quibbling using half-baked one-liners while avoiding any substance. I'm done.
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
> escalating the situation to be personally stressful for the attackers seems like an appropriate response I'd morally disagree with that. Shouldn't deliberately cause someone personal stress, no matter what they've done to you.
> I'd morally disagree with that. Shouldn't deliberately cause someone personal stress, no matter what they've done to you So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here. This whole "conversation" has been you quibbling using half-baked one-liners while avoiding any substance. I'm done.
> So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here.
No the opposite. You should call the police on them and let them deal with it. You shouldn't attempt to put any pressure on them yourself.
> avoiding any substance
Don't harass people. Use proper procedure to resolve disputes instead of calling them at their home.
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'd morally disagree with that. Shouldn't deliberately cause someone personal stress, no matter what they've done to you So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here. This whole "conversation" has been you quibbling using half-baked one-liners while avoiding any substance. I'm done.
> So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here. No the opposite. You should call the police on them and let them deal with it. You shouldn't attempt to put any pressure on them yourself. > avoiding any substance Don't harass people. Use proper procedure to resolve disputes instead of calling them at their home.
> Use proper procedure to resolve disputes
That's really the depth of your thinking here? Sheesh, why did I bother?
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hope to read a follow up post one day about how the end result of this letter is the company who sent the letter loses their trademark and domains.
It's really too bad it's so expensive to pursue issues like this. If the .net company has more money than the OP they could even end up with the .com even though no one would consider it fair. I think it would cost a lot of money to invalidate a trademark, especially if the company that owns it has deep pockets and even a UDRP complaint can cost in the range of $5k from what I've read. I think that's why so many medi…
To defend a UDRP it’s about $10,000 plus filings fees. Typical filing fee is $1500.
That’s why I recommend getting domain name protection ahead of time for all your domain names. $10-20 a month can save you from having to pay big legal fees.
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#288You need to speak with a qualified domain name attorney, not just any attorney or solicitor. As Director of a domain name protection company (and not an attorney) I can offer this: If you registered the domain name before the other party files for a trademark, then there is no way you would have known that they would file for the mark. So, in most cases you probably don’t have to give up the domain name. It comes dow…
> They are just trying to “ strong arm” the domain away from you with a threatening letter. This isn't ok and making them go away isn't good enough. They need to pay for having made that long list of demands and threats, ideally by having their whole business taken away and given to OP.
Agreed, it’s not okay. Some companies are found guilty of reverse domain hijacking after filing a udrp.
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#289I take the view that there needs to be a penalty for people who send out these letters but fail in their ultimate claim. If you send cease and desist letters without merit you should be forced to indemnify the respondent for the entirety of their attorney's fees and pay exemplary damages. This would require lawyers to make a careful assessment about prospects of success, rather than hoping to scare the other side int…
> I take the view that there needs to be a penalty for people who send out these letters but fail in their ultimate claim.
There's also a need to penalize domain squatting. While the avaricious company is in the wrong here, but own.com was showing a generic static page with links for many years, which is clearly domain squatting hoping to speculate on the three-letter domain.
Both are wrong, even if the domain squatter is legally allowed to do so. How many domains is OP speculating with?
Re: Ask HN: Own .com for 7 years, a new company trademarked my name registered .NET
#290Earlier quoted context omitted.
> So if someone robs you, then you shouldn't call the police on them? That's a direct implication of your statement here. No the opposite. You should call the police on them and let them deal with it. You shouldn't attempt to put any pressure on them yourself. > avoiding any substance Don't harass people. Use proper procedure to resolve disputes instead of calling them at their home.
> Use proper procedure to resolve disputes That's really the depth of your thinking here? Sheesh, why did I bother?
Here's a practical reason if moral reasons don't work for you.
If calling them at 2 am for some reason doesn't get the business result you want, and you have to go to court, the court'll ask you what reasonable steps you've already tried to resolve amicably, and the judge will think you're in the wrong when your opponent brings out a log of your 2 am calls to their residential address. Suddenly it'll look like they were just doing legitimate business and you were threatening and harassing.
Even if you aren't a moral person, it pays to do things properly.