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Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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I've done this twice and I'm about to do it a third time in a couple weeks. Each time I've only had about 40k of liquid assets I could spend, and managed to mostly eff out of wherever I lived and not worry about a lease. Also I was single and have no kids. Both times I spent about a year not working. It didn't really help me at all. I didn't give me any direction, I didn't learn much new about myself. I dated a lot and really hyperfocused on dating, so I guess I got better at that. For my upcoming time off I do feel like I have a somewhat good idea of what I want to do in 6 months to a year career wise, so that's a good improvement.

My advice: be sure to have at least some cushion of money, it's a hell of a lot easier when single and no kids, force yourself to have some structure and discipline after a month or so of grace period, consider staying with family and friends to save on money, and finally try to live a little. You only live once.

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Since most of these answers are tech-related, here's my financial services perspective.

I spent two years working as an auditor for a large public accounting firm. This was my first post-college job. I disliked the job from the beginning, but was not confident I would find another good entry level job, so I stuck with it until I burnt myself out. Covid resulted in more work hours than usual. Compensation per hour was terrible for the number of hours worked, and I felt like I was wasting my life.

Near the end (August 2020), I struggled to do anything. Since I didn't have strong relationships with coworkers, I quit without much discussion or a plan. It was easy because: the parents paid for college, I don't spend much, I have minimal monthly expenses, and I have no major commitments.

After quitting, I drove around the US for two months seeing cool places and old friends. Eventually I was offered a short-term contract as an auditor again, and I took it. I really didn't want to be an auditor, but the hourly pay was great, and it was a promotion. Turns out, higher compensation made me a happier auditor.

Bonus points, after that contract I hiked the Pacific Crest Trail, which I just finished. The 6 month gap from the hike did not cause any issues when finding a new job, and actually made interview conversations fun and easy.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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Considering how "judgey" bay area tech is I would never make such a move. Any sign of not being a steadfast workaholic is a "red flag."

I was recently screening resumes for one of those bay area tech companies. I can honestly say they were so desperate for quality coders that work gaps never even came up. If you have prior start up experience, are not an asshole, and can answer stupid algorithmic questions you aren't going to have problems getting a river of money dumped on you after taking a sabbatical. Just make sure you budget some serious interview prep time into your sabbatical plans if you aren't already good at it, otherwise you are bound for some anxiety.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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I've done it a few times, and am doing it now. Just make sure you have a plan and a realistic idea about what getting that next job would look like. The plan doesn't need to be very detailed but should include a realistic idea of when you would NEED to become employed again, and what you want to accomplish in the time off. That could be "I want to play video games for 3 months straight". It doesn't really matter as long as you don't finish your sabbatical wishing you would have done something else. The entire point is to reset your mental health, or to simply live life as though you didn't HAVE to work for a living. Generally speaking people work because they have to, there's nothing wrong with simply not wanting to do it for a while.

I think if you don't know what you'd do, there's a chance you'll end up regretting it. But there's also a chance you realize there's a ton of life you aren't living, and find ways to reconnect with it.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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After skimming half the thread and only seeing one view (DO IT! It’s GREAT!), I’m going to throw this out there: - You will have heavy selection bias here (people who did not succeed might be working at a crappier job and unable to comment at this moment) - You will also have confirmation bias among those who willingly quit (“of course it was the right move”) - You are asking a very unique set of people with very val…

Both times I have quit my job with nothing else lined up have been stress-filled disasters with a dreadful financial countdown timer. I would never do it again. The second time, our savings left us about 1 month away from my wife and I living in our car. This thread has been unreal! I don't know who these people are who can just leave their jobs and go off to windsurf in Ibiza, but congratulations on how fortunate yo…

I think there's probably the assumption that a lot of these people have some money saved up outside of just emergency funds.

I know quite a few close friends, for instance, who are saving up "F You" money to be able to quit their job and do what they want (even short of full FIRE movement folks).

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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I'll add another cautionary tale.... At the start of my career, I worked as a SWE at one of the FAANGs. After 3 years, I couldn't take it anymore. I hated everything I worked on, nothing was meeting my lofty expectations, and I thought about quitting constantly. Eventually I pulled the trigger to go and "do my own thing." I didn't have a backup job - instead I worked on my own projects with a cofounder and tried to t…

Most of the stories I've read online have been positive about their land. I recently left my job at Google, and yours is a sobering tale that one should not take their comfortable job for granted. I'm giving myself 1 year to see if I can manage on my own, but if that doesn't work out, I'll probably return to a FAANG company.

I do believe that those kinds of jobs are the best risk-adjusted ROI if you're trying to make money. But sometimes you just need to get the startup out of your system.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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I quit in December 2019 (best time for that kind of thing). I had some money put aside and decided to put my time and effort into getting a deeper understanding of ML to find a more meaningful job (my old one was draining me so much). After a few months it looked like the job perspectives weren't as good during the pandemic so I decided to finish my side project - get some more experience, maybe even earn some side i…

Good perspective, thank you. I am starting an indefinite sabbatical here in 2 weeks, single and no kids. I don't know what I want or need, but I know it's not 50-60 hrs/week. I also will go nuts if I don't have objectives that I work towards. Having a team of coworkers are very motivational.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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I left my job in February 2021 due to being overstressed and eventually burning out. I was in a role where I was essentially on call 24/7, with the only calls actually coming in at early AM hours on holidays. This made it impossible for me to relax during time off, which contributed to the burnout. Around the same time, my SO was finishing cancer treatment, so work stress was not the only stress I was dealing with. I…

> a sudoku solver

Sorry to hear about all the stresses you were dealing with but if it's okay, i'd like to follow up on your sudoku solver.

Are you doing the brute force/general way or are you implementing sudoku specific logic?

Here's my understanding of the general way: it tries to insert different values in different squares until it finds a conflict.

A sudoku specific way, in my mind, would implement the algorithms we humans use to solve a sudoku. E.g., look at a block, see which numbers are missing, see if open squares in that block can be filled with numbers by eliminating options along the vertical or horizontal of that square.

Hope this isn't too callous given everything else you wrote. Also, big fan of journaling which you too have called out.

Re: Ask HN: Those who quit their jobs without anything planned. How did it go?

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I left my job in February 2021 due to being overstressed and eventually burning out. I was in a role where I was essentially on call 24/7, with the only calls actually coming in at early AM hours on holidays. This made it impossible for me to relax during time off, which contributed to the burnout. Around the same time, my SO was finishing cancer treatment, so work stress was not the only stress I was dealing with. I…

> a sudoku solver Sorry to hear about all the stresses you were dealing with but if it's okay, i'd like to follow up on your sudoku solver. Are you doing the brute force/general way or are you implementing sudoku specific logic? Here's my understanding of the general way: it tries to insert different values in different squares until it finds a conflict. A sudoku specific way, in my mind, would implement the algorith…

No worries, it's a fun topic!

For any given position on the board, there are only 9 possible moves that can be made (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9). One could try each possible move without regard to the rules of Sudoku, then evaluate whether the new state is correct - and this is what I understand you mean by brute force.

My implementation goes to the next step and only considers valid moves for a given position by looking within the current 3x3 square, and also by looking along the row+column to eliminate numbers that have already been used. This is slightly better than brute force and reduces the search space quite a bit.

At a high level, my sudoku solver does a guided DFS by generating the full list of moves that can be made from the current board state, then sorts them according to heuristics that match how I play sudoku (first try to fill in positions with less options, first try to use numbers that have been used more), then starts trying values and backtracking once it reaches a point where there are no more remaining valid moves.

The problem with heuristics like those is that sudoku puzzles can be created that exploit the heuristics and make the search take forever. My implementation solves easy and medium sudokus very quickly. My implementation can't solve most hard sudokus even after letting it run for hours.

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