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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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To know whether something is bullish or bearish, we need to know not only its value to customers, but also its ability to differentiate itself from competitors and whether it will be able to maintain the value margin. One clear value that OpenAi can offer customers right now is the ability to do inference at marginal cost. Even when open source models get close to the quality of ChatGPT, they will be expensive to run, let alone to fine-tune or update. Knowledge is a constantly evolving thing. If you don't have a big budget, it will be very hard to keep up. Unless we can find a way for the community to pool the resources to train open source models and keep them up to date.

That might be a bit different for big companies where they want to run their own models.

The other factor is that Google and others are certainly not going to sit still. There is no reason to believe that someone as resourceful as Google cannot come up with something as good as ChatGPT, if not better. Companies like Meta are playing the open source card, so they will be the first to benefit directly from the community. So the market will change, but dramatically. It's far too early to bet on any of them (or none of them). My approach is to diversify, wait and see.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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> I think this speaks to the bubble you're in and how your kind of software development probably represents 0.1% of what's out there. Grandparent specifically said they find ChatGPT useful for things outside their wheelhouse: >> [...]troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in It sounds to me like it may not be safe to use ChatGPT if you can't check its w…

Yea, I tried using it like that and got a bunch of "you're using it wrong responses".

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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

> they are easily a $100B+ company once they nail down how to monetize

That would be amazing if Google, Microsoft, Amazon, or Meta sat on their hands while OpenAI got that big.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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> My issue with ChatGPT is that it sounds like an expert consultant but I know it’s likely it’s just making up sentences some of the time So, just like an expert consultant?

I was just about to reply with this hahaha. This guy clearly does not know consultants.

I have worked with people who do say “I don’t know”

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point, it provided some solution, and then you were able to continue to expand upon that solution. I keep reading responses like yours, but I haven't seen any specific examples of problems being solved, so it all sounds very abstract. In my interactions with ChatGPT, it felt like just interact…

I feed ChatGPT 3.5 answers from surveys and it summarizes and categorizes the answers for me. I have a quick read through as well to be sure, but I've been very impressed so far. It's a massive timesaver when doing a lot of research.

I can also feed it a list of web accessibility issues and have it sort the list into most/least critical, along with providing references to the specific WCAG criteria. It has occasionally stumbled on this task, but again massive timesavings.

I also use ChatGPT for filler text in designs. Yes I have to build on what it writes, but it's way better and quicker than what I'd do myself. I know our communications team is doing this x10 more than I am.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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I think this speaks to the bubble you're in and how your kind of software development probably represents 0.1% of what's out there. I don't even know what WebGPU, Warren Abstract machine or "whatever is that you're trying to do" is. I've been doing dev for ~20 years now, most of the work out there is essentially plumbing events/databases/REST APIs/regexes/JSON/configs/ web UIs in existing and well established framewo…

> I think this speaks to the bubble you're in and how your kind of software development probably represents 0.1% of what's out there. Grandparent specifically said they find ChatGPT useful for things outside their wheelhouse: >> [...]troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in It sounds to me like it may not be safe to use ChatGPT if you can't check its w…

Not the original poster, but here are some examples:

- Paste a bunch of log code about which I have no idea. Ask to identify and explain the problem.

- Wireshark / dmesg / OpenWrt configuration pasting, ask to fix the problem. For instance, I fixed a Wi-Fi issue in a heterogeneous setup, which turned out to be caused by a stray DHCPv6 server.

- Paste C code, along with an error log, and ask to fix the problem.

- Paste my program and a sample. Ask to extend my program.

- Proofread and format Markdown nicely.

- Paste government letters, asking for a response that includes .

- Paste a chat log and obtain documentation.

- Paste a tax declaration, and ask to check for consistency.

- Paste my code and ask for critique.

When discussing versions, people often confuse versions 3.5 and 4. I am always referring to version 4.

Keep in mind that ChatGPT has been seriously and intentionally downgraded since March.

This debate frequently leaves me wondering if I'm encountering a coordinated effort by bots. The examples I listed above come very naturally to me. I can't understand why people don't try to paste whatever they're working on and check the results. If it's too complex, asking it to critique instead of create, because that's easier. It feels as though there's an effort to shape public opinion into viewing these tools as "immature" and suitable only for edge cases.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Seconded. I remember the first time I watched a Netflix developer livestreaming their workday using an impressive neovim setup. It was eye opening. I need the same experience for this ChatGPT fanaticism.

The funny bit is that the same developer (primeagen) is not a massive fan of ChatGPT

That satisfies my confirmation bias. I'm under the assumption that pre-existing high-caliber developers aren't improved by ChatGPT/Copilot. At least not yet.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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OpenAI, at least in my day-day workflow for the last 9+ months has so superseded anything that google ever was to me that I'm having a difficult time comparing the two. I've got a monitor dedicated 100% of the time to ChatGPT, and I interact with it non stop during the flow of technical scenarios and troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in, and shutti…

I have a different view. I have been trying to use GPT for some tasks like NP reductions, Linear Programming formulations, Graph problems, etc. and the results are maddeningly bad. Seriously, I have raged in front of my computer like I hadn't raged since the days of the NES Ghostbusters game. The amount of mistakes is incredible and the model seems to constantly feed into vicious circles of "I am sorry, you are corre…

ChatGPT (specifically GPT4) is very good at complicated but shallow questions.

For example, "I'm setting up a new TypeScript + Svelte app, I made some changes to the config that I thought were good, but when I try to run the dev server, I get this error." And then paste in your incomprehensible ten line error.

Any time you are using some software tool that you're not very familiar with, and you get an error message that you don't understand, try asking GPT4 to explain it to you.

It isn't so great at deep, theoretical, algorithmic questions. "NP reductions" are probably not a great fit.

Think of it as a research assistant that has a broad understanding of every technology in the world, but isn't as smart as you are about your specific area of expertise.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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post #233

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Yea, I tried using it like that and got a bunch of "you're using it wrong responses".

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This comment sounds a lot like "Have fun staying poor", as applied to AI rather than crypto.

Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think this speaks to the bubble you're in and how your kind of software development probably represents 0.1% of what's out there. Grandparent specifically said they find ChatGPT useful for things outside their wheelhouse: >> [...]troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in It sounds to me like it may not be safe to use ChatGPT if you can't check its w…

Not the original poster, but here are some examples: - Paste a bunch of log code about which I have no idea. Ask to identify and explain the problem. - Wireshark / dmesg / OpenWrt configuration pasting, ask to fix the problem. For instance, I fixed a Wi-Fi issue in a heterogeneous setup, which turned out to be caused by a stray DHCPv6 server. - Paste C code, along with an error log, and ask to fix the problem. - Past…

> This debate frequently leaves me wondering if I'm encountering a coordinated effort by bots.

Stay classy. The rest of your comment would have been much better without this ad hominem.

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