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Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by vel0city »

TakeBlaster16 wrote: post #269
vel0city wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ban the user? But how would that person ever find a match with a dating site banning them? It's completely socially ostracizing for that user to not be able to use the app. How would they ever be able to function in society without access to the Catholic dating app?

Don't forget that we're comparing: 1. someone who broke site rules 2. someone who did not break site rules I advocate group #1 suffering the consequences for their actions. I do not advocate group #2 losing access due to factors outside their control. Not sure why you're getting the two confused.

The person in this original post broke Discord's posted rules. So this whole debate entirely falls under the category of #1. That's why I'm confused here.

So I'm glad to see we agree. When you break the rules, it's OK for the site to ban you. So in this instance, Discord did nothing wrong, they banned someone who broke the site's rules.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by namlem »

ctrlmeta wrote: post #14

The popularity of Discord always surprises me! It takes hard work and time to create an active community. Why put all that hard work and time into a corporate-controlled platform that can lock you out of it anytime they want? How do people feel ok taking such a big risk? Why not use an open protocol like Matrix (or IRC if you're savvy) to form your community?

Discord has a ton of useful features. It's a very powerful application.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by namlem »

superkuh wrote: post #97

Stop depending entirely on corporate systems for your personal communication and recreation (I say on HN...). And absolutely stop calling for the use of violence (regulations by government) in these situations. Just because Bob says you cannot come over to the weekly neighborhood BBQs in his backyard does not mean it is ethical for you to call up your police friend to threaten Bob and to make sure you can go. It does…

No, start calling much more loudly for the use of government force to resolve the situation. State power in a democratic system is the best vehicle to counterbalance concentrated private power. This anarcho-libertarian drivel never leads to postivie outcomes.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by moss2 »

anoonmoose wrote: post #51
moss2 wrote: post #44

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Another idea would be legislature. Have these online public spaces serve under the same laws as real-life public spaces (museums, parks et cetera). If a town banned you from the train station because you refuse to give them your phone number, that would open them up to being sued. That should absolutely apply to Discord, Google Mail and Amazon AWS.

That should absolutely not apply to Discord, Google Mail, or Amazon AWS, because those are all private companies restricting the use of their private property. You may call them "public spaces" or "public services" but that is an abuse of the word "public".

What I wrote was a political opinion. How I think things should be, not a description of what they are. I absolutely think private companies should be restricted in their use of their private property.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by moss2 »

TuringNYC wrote: post #153
moss2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another idea would be legislature. Have these online public spaces serve under the same laws as real-life public spaces (museums, parks et cetera). If a town banned you from the train station because you refuse to give them your phone number, that would open them up to being sued. That should absolutely apply to Discord, Google Mail and Amazon AWS.

>> If a town banned you from the train station because you refuse to give them your phone number, that would open them up to being sued. Nice example you gave, because this literally happened between 2002 and 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List The No Fly List eventually swelled to close to a million people. There was no one entity you could sue, because airlines had their own algorithms for matching, so…

Good point, thank you for sharing.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by xboxnolifes »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #126
unethical_ban wrote: post #99

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Instantaneous creation of a server with an RBAC GUI, multiple text and voice chat rooms, voice chat, screen share, app share(game streaming), and for clients, a GUI that allows people to view the status of other servers while participating in one. Again, it's made for voice/screen/streaming share, not primarily text.

I respect your view and can see your point. May I counter that Discord effectively proprietarised the open standard that is IRC and then put all the bells and whistles such as shared screen streaming, voice chat etc on top? Similar to how WhatsApp proprietarised XMPP. Even the niche Discord servers have managed to replicate the community feel of the early to mid 1990's IRC channels. That's how I see it. You are welco…

If IRC came with voice chat, I might agree. But discord didn't become popular because it was a reskinned IRC client. Seamless setup of a voice and text server was the value proposition. I still use teamspeak with some people, but discord is just so much more polished in the ease of setup area.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by ncmncm »

vel0city wrote: post #256
ncmncm wrote: post #252

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The impact of Willowdale discovering you are gay and ejecting you is limited specifically because they (I assume) don't maintain a blacklist in coordination with Springfield.

I mean, they might ban someone, and as long as their reasons don't pertain to protected classes does it still matter? Do you have a right to go to any Odd Fellow meeting, anywhere? Or do they have a right to choose who they consider to be members? I don't really know much about Odd Fellows, if they did have national/global membership rosters, would that then change this scenario to you? Seriously, do you feel the pri…

You seem to miss that Discord is excluding people who are not abusing their platform.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by toofy »

TuringNYC wrote: post #153
moss2 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another idea would be legislature. Have these online public spaces serve under the same laws as real-life public spaces (museums, parks et cetera). If a town banned you from the train station because you refuse to give them your phone number, that would open them up to being sued. That should absolutely apply to Discord, Google Mail and Amazon AWS.

>> If a town banned you from the train station because you refuse to give them your phone number, that would open them up to being sued. Nice example you gave, because this literally happened between 2002 and 2015: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_List The No Fly List eventually swelled to close to a million people. There was no one entity you could sue, because airlines had their own algorithms for matching, so…

yeah, the fundamental problem doesn’t seem to be a result of government or companies as we’re seeing this happening with both. governments and as we’re seeing, across the board with companies.

there is a different fundamental problem at play.

Re: Ask HN: Discord banned me with no recourse

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Post by vel0city »

ncmncm wrote: post #277
vel0city wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, they might ban someone, and as long as their reasons don't pertain to protected classes does it still matter? Do you have a right to go to any Odd Fellow meeting, anywhere? Or do they have a right to choose who they consider to be members? I don't really know much about Odd Fellows, if they did have national/global membership rosters, would that then change this scenario to you? Seriously, do you feel the pri…

You seem to miss that Discord is excluding people who are not abusing their platform.

This original post is someone using their phone number for two accounts. Having multiple accounts is against their rules, so it's abuse of their platform.

Another user talking about being banned from Discord was supposedly involved with a server trading child pornography and then continuing to get banned by creating additional accounts which is once again against Discord's terms.

I'm not seeing a lot of examples of people truly getting banned for no reason. It's not my place to tell Discord what is and isn't abuse of their platform. They're allowed to make their own membership rules.

But please, answer my question. Is discord allowed to exclude those who they feel abuse their platform? That's kind of the key point here.

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