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Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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Khan Academy’s economics and finance videos are excellent for learning the fundamentals.

Ray Dalio’s talks on YouTube, and his most recent TED talk are great for context around economic downturns.

Real Vision and Anthony Pompliano’s podcast are good for deep dives into what’s going on with a bit of an alternative take.

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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Consider a subscription to the British newspaper The Economist. It began publication in 1848 in protest against the British corn laws. The writing is superlative written with a rather sly sense of humor. In particular, they collect and graph enormous amounts of data to augment their articles. It's much better than random posts found on the internet.

I think the economist is great in how broad the coverage is, it's a great way to keep up with what's happening around the world. But it tends to have a very ideologically driven narrative, I think of it as basically neoliberal propaganda, so I always read it with a hefty helping of salt.

It isn't neoliberal propaganda, it is just editorially neoliberal. Having some particular editorial voice does not make something propaganda. Similarly, there are many magazines that are editorially progressive or socialist or any number of things, and are also not propaganda. Maybe this is all you meant, but if so, I don't think it is a useful definition of the word "propaganda".

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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Very well written indeed, unfortunately owned by globalists since 2015 (check out the ownership change, if you are interested [1]) I had been an avid reader for 30 years, cancelled my subscription around 2015-2016, and I was not even aware of the new ownership at the time, I just sensed the change of their ideological orientation and did not like it one bit. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economist_Group

so where do we go now?

I'm confused by this thread: I've been reading the Economist since quite awhile before 2015 and I don't think its editorial stance has changed significantly; it has always been pro-globalism, pro-trade, pro-market, generally what I'd describe as neoliberal. If anything, the shift I detected in their views was toward more government intervention and regulation, coming out of the great recession. I'm very skeptical of the idea that there was an inflection point toward globalism in 2015.

So to answer your question: if you want what the Economist gives, you don't need to go anywhere else.

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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So there are a number of pretty funny responses in this thread, I decided to make a list:

Marx

the Bible

Bogleheads

Newspaper titles (you read that right, not the content, titles)

"nothing, I just bought a piece of land to grow potatoes and beans"

Comparative study of the black death

Raw St. Louis Fed data

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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What? They bought up another company in 2015. Not the other way around. Why would that even be a bad thing?

Please read carefully. The Agnelli family owns 43.4%, members of the Rothschild family own 21%, other big corporate/rich families interests own the rest. Lots of "Sirs", "Ladies" and "Baronesses" on the board of directors, as you can see below. From the Wikipedia page: Pearson PLC held a 50% shareholding via The Financial Times Limited until August 2015; at that time Pearson sold their share in the Economist. The Agn…

Isn't your thesis that this situation changed in 2015? I don't know for sure, but I always assumed the Economist has always been run by a bunch of Sirs and Ladies... I have read and quite liked the magazine for a couple decades and they have seemed consistently elitist, pro-market, and globalist during that time. It is something I like, that they have a strong identifiable editorial perspective, unlike newspapers that have some claim to neutrality, which mostly makes their biases harder to delineate and more arguable.

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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A big shout out for "Good Economics for Hard Times", by two MIT profs who recently won the Nobel Prize in Economics. Why did two academic Economists who specialize in the developing world write a book for the general public? From the book's preface: "We got tired of watching at a distance while the public conversation about core economic issues - immigration, trade, growth, inequality, or the environment - goes more and more out of kilter. ... Also ... as we thought about it, we realized the problems facing the rich countries in the world were actually eerily familiar to those we are used to studying in the developing world - people left behind by development, ballooning inequality, lack of faith in government, fractured societies and polity, and so on."

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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Agree 100%. The whole reason why market economies - economies based on the decentralized mechanism we call "prices" - work better than any other economic system is because they're decentralized. If one person or group of experts could know the current wants/needs of millions of individuals, we wouldn't need prices and that person/group could predict the direction of the economy. Similarly, say all you care about is p…

> That was a lesson to me: conventional wisdom about the economy, even "wisdom" from "experts" in a segment of the economy, can be wildly inaccurate. Conventional wisdom is wrong about all kinds of things, all the time. "Forecasts have been wrong, therefore forecasting is pointless" is the wrong lesson to take.

Both of your statements are true. However, I feel it would be a misrepresentation or, at least, a misunderstanding to say I suggested that "forecasts have been wrong, forecasting is pointless."

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding your reply or I wasn't clear in my original post. The history of failure of expert consensus forecasts is one reason why we should be highly skeptical. That's why I said such a forecast, and you yourself quoted, "...can be wildly inaccurate" and not, as you suggest I said "...is pointless."

Macroeconomic forecasting is indeed pointless, but for a different reason. Some might say it's pointless because the economy is a (1) complex and (2) chaotic system. The economy is indeed complex and chaotic, but so is the weather... and we can forecast the weather with accuracy and precision macroeconomic forecasters drool over. The economy has two additional and overlapping factors making forecasting effectively impossible: (3) two-way causality between the forecast and the economy (the forecast is based on the predicted behavior of individuals and individuals will change behavior depending on the forecast) and (4) the free will of humans.

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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If you're talking about the U.S. that's mainly due to our reserve currency status and nothing else. And the money printing has driven certain sectors higher even in the face of low / stagnant growth. Stocks, real estate, etc being some of them. But you gotta understand that we export a great deal of our inflation. One day those dollars will come home to roost, but until then, Germany's balance sheet looks a hell of a…

That sounds like a very ad hoc explanation, what about Japan then?

Supply and demand applies to money and velocity of money matters. The velocity of money in Japan has declined along with the aging population. This is a problem we face in the U.S. as well. So you can't just look at M1 money supply in isolation to determine if market will show inflation or deflation in prices.

Re: Ask HN: What are you reading to make sense of the economy?

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> Effectively shutting down more than half of all business is slightly more than bursting a bubble. It is world war II scale event, But let's not forget that this wasn't caused by the virus itelf, it was consciously decided by politicians to trade an (unknown in magnitude) risk for a huge recession.

That seems a bit semantic given that even cartel run Favellas quarantined and they are money over life. It is a bit "I didn't murder the person I kidnapped, they committed suicide." Technically true but the responsibility is the same as if they had.

Are you seriously using (some) Favellas as a benchmark for reasonable assessment of a pandemic? Some people are scared. It won't affect the inherent risk associated with the virus.
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