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Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#261
yes, I never got into using chatGPT a lot for example

but I will stay I have started to just use the AI summary at the top of Google though although it is wrong like I searched "why is the nose of a supra so long" and it started talking about people's faces vs. the car which granted yeah it's not a nose but yeah

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#262
GPT is completely useless for most of my daily searches. Searching for specific content on a site? I can just put in site:domain.com keywords and get useful results without having to read useless overview paragraphs about the site in question.

Image searches without having to describe every minute detail of what I'm looking for?

Bah, even some searches that are basically looking for wikipedia/historical lookups....so much easier UI in Google Search than chatgpt's endless paragraphs with unclear sources etc.

For some things Google's AI results are helpful too, if not to just narrow down the results to certain sources.

There's no chat interface helping any of this

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if the advertiser's product or service is objectively (according to either a prompt defined by the user or by the UI operator, transparently provided) the answer to the query?

Then the response will also contain ads for things that are not the answer to the query. This is how search engines currently behave. Example from my work. Many of our customers will search for our company name in order to find the login page. I've watched them do this over screen share. When they do that, the top search result is an ad slot. The second search result is our login page. We buy ads against out own comp…

Or a phisher could buy the ad slot or game the search results to publish a fake login page to phish credentials. This is why 2FA is not really optional anymore for anything of value.

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#264

Search is primarily a portal - you know a particular resource exists, you just don't know its exact URL. You hear about this new programming language called "Frob", and you assume it must have a website. So you google "Frob language". You hear that there was a plane crash in DC, and assume (CNN/AP/your_favorite_news_site) has almost certainly written an article about it. You google "DC plane crash." LLMs aren't ever…

IMO an example of a good use case for an LLM, which would be otherwise very hard to search for, is clarifying vague technical concepts.

Just yesterday I was trying to remember the name of a vague concept I’d forgotten, with my overall question being:

“Is there a technical term in biology for the equilibrium that occurs between plant species producing defensive toxins, and toxin resistance in the insect species that feed on those plants, whereby the plant species never has enough evolutionary pressure to increase it’s toxin load enough to kill off the insect that is adapting to it”

After fruitless searching around because I didn’t have the right things to look for, putting the above in ChatGPT gave an instant reply of exactly what I was looking for:

“Yes, the phenomenon you're describing is often referred to as evolutionary arms race or coevolutionary arms race.”

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#265
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I still prefer tranditional search engines over LLMs but I admit, its results feels worse than it has traditionally. I don't like LLMs for two reasons: * I can't really get a feel for the veracity of the information without double checking it. A lot of context I get from just reading results from a traditional search engine is lost when I get an answer from a LLM. I find it somewhat uncomfortable to just accept the a…

One thing I don't like about LLMs is that they vomit out a page of prose as filler around the key point which could just be a short sentence.

At least that has been my experience. I admit I don't use LLMs very much.

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d say come back in a few years for a bad take. But this is already a bad take. A query in a regular search engine can at best perform like an LLM-based provider like Perplexity for simple queries. If you have to click or browse several results forget it, makes no sense not to use an LLM that provides sources.

> If you have to click or browse several results forget it, makes no sense not to use an LLM that provides sources. I just searched for "What is inherit_errexit?" at Perplexity. Eight sources were provided and none of them were the most authoritative source, which is this page in the Bash manual: https://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/The-Shopt... Whereas, when I searched for "inherit_errexit" using Googl…

I've really wanted to write a clickbait blog post article to post on HN [0] with the title "Hackers don't use LLMs". You've pretty succinctly summarised how I feel about the subject with your last paragraph.

[0]: not that I write blog post articles anyway, it's just a fantasy day dream thing that's been running through my head

Re: Ask HN: Do you still use search engines?

#269
I do, but LLMs generate so much slop that ordinary search results are less useful by the week. At this rate low-background steel will be plentiful in comparison to human-written true information. Stack overflow may be dead, but it's legacy will live forever. We never knew how good we had it until we lost it.
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