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Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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Am I the only one still getting e-mails from recruiters all the time? My LinkedIn profile indicates I’m not looking for new work, and yet they still come to me in both personal and my work inbox. If I change that setting on my profile I know I’ll be absolutely inundated by them. Most of them I’m sure are non-starters, but occasionally there is one that is promising.

Nope. That all dried up for me shortly after the pandemic ended.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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To be fair, it seems like getting Google to interview you is a challenge.

Not saying that it is an easy place to get in to - the bar is high, but if you are good enough to get in it is fairly chilled. FWIW I interview a lot of candidates and there is quite a broad range of ages from college grads up to and including folks older than me. The hiring process is flawed in many ways, but they do seem to go out of their way to be fair and equitable regarding age race gender etc. It is no longer…

Well that’s nice - weirdly I got an interview there in 2012 (the stock sure would’ve been nice…) but did badly, perhaps because I was all of 1 year in to my career and had been a self taught physics major. Since then I’ve applied many times and gotten nothing but crickets. Oh well.

The 2012 experience was really good though, for what it’s worth.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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This is a great job ad - are they hiring?

Yes, but there's a 99.9% chance they can't hire you, because you live in the wrong country :-) What I would do is look at local governments, at local municipalities. They often have public calls for bids for software projects, like digitizing some forms or processes. Stuff that's too small for big corporations to care about. Look at the companies that apply for these projects. They're often small, local, stable, and…

I worked on a small company similar to what you just described now. We were a group of 15 people inside a Microsoft license seller in South America. But our job was actually related to get those public bids for web systems to help their government processes. If I wasn't being paid close to minimum wage it'd be the best job. The deadlines were almost non existent, the people were nice, even our clients inside the government were very cool to chat with. The company went bankrupt because some scandals and it had to change to something else so I went to another place. But it's a really cool concept that also can be very profitable. 3 medium size projects of that type and I could retire in a few years.

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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I don't think anybody can answer this question for you. At 40, you can still do the exact same jobs as someone who's 25 (at least in tech) if you put your heart in it. I don't know what's the expiry date for a SWE, but it's not 40. I'm a median IC in big tech at almost 50 and don't feel discriminated against yet, and for the most part, don't feel incompetent or behind, and feel I'm having the greatest time of my care…

Maybe I'm misreading, but this sounds like a defeatist take. Why would a 50yo be slower? I'm in my early 50s and at the absolute top of my game. I'm a principal eng at a medium-ish company and spend a lot of my time mentoring the "kids" and providing direction to engineers that don't have the same well of experience to draw on. I would naturally assume that an IC in their 40s or 50s is much faster than someone in the…

As someone in that age group, who is also a competitive chess player, it is an objective fact that one's brain significantly slows down over 50. We also have less physical stamina for long hours, all nighters, etc.

Experience, wisdom, there may be many benefits to employees over 50 – but we crunch data slower, let's not fool ourselves.

> I ... spend a lot of my time mentoring the "kids" and providing direction to engineers

That is exactly what I would expect, and that's great. And by the same token, you are NOT spending most of your time doing calculation- or analysis-intensive IC work, where kids have the speed advantage.

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While many people talk about a bias against hiring ICs over 40 I also wonder if there is a bias to favor people over 40 for promotions.

There is probably bias in that social skills tend to be better as you get older, which makes you a better leader and manager in many cases.

I would like to think so, but (speaking from experience) a hiring manager in his 30s or 20s may not recognize or value that.

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Maybe I'm misreading, but this sounds like a defeatist take. Why would a 50yo be slower? I'm in my early 50s and at the absolute top of my game. I'm a principal eng at a medium-ish company and spend a lot of my time mentoring the "kids" and providing direction to engineers that don't have the same well of experience to draw on. I would naturally assume that an IC in their 40s or 50s is much faster than someone in the…

As someone in that age group, who is also a competitive chess player, it is an objective fact that one's brain significantly slows down over 50. We also have less physical stamina for long hours, all nighters, etc. Experience, wisdom, there may be many benefits to employees over 50 – but we crunch data slower, let's not fool ourselves. > I ... spend a lot of my time mentoring the "kids" and providing direction to eng…

Some of the most productive people I know, who can get on the fly the ideas are 50+. So if you are going more slowly, maybe it is on you? I don’t think is a good and fair generalization. Is any?

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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post #264

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As someone in that age group, who is also a competitive chess player, it is an objective fact that one's brain significantly slows down over 50. We also have less physical stamina for long hours, all nighters, etc. Experience, wisdom, there may be many benefits to employees over 50 – but we crunch data slower, let's not fool ourselves. > I ... spend a lot of my time mentoring the "kids" and providing direction to eng…

Some of the most productive people I know, who can get on the fly the ideas are 50+. So if you are going more slowly, maybe it is on you? I don’t think is a good and fair generalization. Is any?

I don't understand the need to argue about absolutely everything that so many tech dudes have. Who are you trying to convince?

Anyone here can can easily Google: does the brain slow down with aging

But maybe yours doesn't – maybe you will live forever at 110% efficiency, like Elon, or Bryan Johnson, powered by the blood of young virgins. Good for you.

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post #266

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Some of the most productive people I know, who can get on the fly the ideas are 50+. So if you are going more slowly, maybe it is on you? I don’t think is a good and fair generalization. Is any?

I don't understand the need to argue about absolutely everything that so many tech dudes have. Who are you trying to convince? Anyone here can can easily Google: does the brain slow down with aging But maybe yours doesn't – maybe you will live forever at 110% efficiency, like Elon, or Bryan Johnson, powered by the blood of young virgins. Good for you.

brain aging is not unlike say aging bodies for athletes, eventually you won’t be able to compete at the highest level. but just like athletes change the way they play as they age so do people in professions where they use their brain. michael jordan was ridiculous in his prime, basically outrunning and outjumping everyone. as he aged he was still ridiculous - once he could not outrun and outjump his opponents he developed a fadeaway and lowpost game that carried him through his last few seasons. I am in my 50’s and my brain is definitely aging, I have been feeling it for a decade now… but I have also adjusted to that with almost 3 decades in this industry to use a cliche I work smarter not harder now :)

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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post #266

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Some of the most productive people I know, who can get on the fly the ideas are 50+. So if you are going more slowly, maybe it is on you? I don’t think is a good and fair generalization. Is any?

I don't understand the need to argue about absolutely everything that so many tech dudes have. Who are you trying to convince? Anyone here can can easily Google: does the brain slow down with aging But maybe yours doesn't – maybe you will live forever at 110% efficiency, like Elon, or Bryan Johnson, powered by the blood of young virgins. Good for you.

I do not get why some tech people read some random articles in internet and think they are neurologist, experts in endocrinology, etc… ahhh Hubris.

Now I do not know by what measure my brain gets slower, and I do not care. Productivity can be achieved in many ways. Let me tell you about a friend of mine: he was unable to study engineering in his 20, he was barely able to keep a job. Was doing minimal wage… then (maybe?) his brain got slower… but you know what? His testosterone went down, and was able to keep his 3 neurons working without thinking in sex; by age 45, got an engineering degree, then got to CTO at big company…

You see?! Life is soo much complex as you seem to be able to understand. So again, I know lots of people, that because of many reasons, e.g. no more kids at home, broken (bad) marriage, whatever, are far far more productive.

You keep doing the same mistake: you read some article, and think that little piece of information you just discovered ,or happen to know, is all there is to know about it.

I apologize in advance if there was some typo, from which you want to make an ad hominem argument (you should google that, because is annoying that seems is all you can do when you have no more arguments)

Re: Ask HN: Where to Work After 40?

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post #267

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I don't understand the need to argue about absolutely everything that so many tech dudes have. Who are you trying to convince? Anyone here can can easily Google: does the brain slow down with aging But maybe yours doesn't – maybe you will live forever at 110% efficiency, like Elon, or Bryan Johnson, powered by the blood of young virgins. Good for you.

brain aging is not unlike say aging bodies for athletes, eventually you won’t be able to compete at the highest level. but just like athletes change the way they play as they age so do people in professions where they use their brain. michael jordan was ridiculous in his prime, basically outrunning and outjumping everyone. as he aged he was still ridiculous - once he could not outrun and outjump his opponents he deve…

Absolutely! Speed is not everything, experience and knowledge are as or more important. Specially the ability to tell what “will” be important. When I was younger I had better memory, but I had to remember everything, because I didn’t know what I was going to need. Now I forget a lot, but the five important things not… it goes much smoother.

I’ve met some people that read some articles that state the brain ages, got depressed and they decayed quickly. Just sad. Not everyone is equal. Some do age well.

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