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Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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Depends what society you talk about too. Marriage isn’t integral to all societies, so much as monogamous partnership is (excluding some rare poly societies). You also don’t need marriage to procreate , and several societies are built around the concept of children raised by the community. That said, marriage is certainly the most persistent form of long term bond in history, but it’s not always borne out of mutual de…

What successful societies exist today without some concept marriage? I’m not aware of any, but it sounds like you have one in mind.

Ah you’ve introduced two other elements into the mix, and possibly have introduced the issue of conflation of causation and correlation.

1. What is a successful society? You may have a different definition but imho it’s one that hasn’t torn itself apart or causing active harm to itself.

2. I never said they didn’t have a concept of marriage, just that it’s not integral.

Both those points however are dramatically affected by colonization. Particularly Christian colonization, but not restricted to it.

Colonization both destroyed many otherwise successful societies and forced their own concepts onto the ones that remained.

As such I don’t think there’s any society that does have absolutely no concept of marriage, but there are some where marriage is not integral.

Various indigenous groups did not have a formal marriage, but did sometimes have a vow. Even within the US, you’d have the ancient traditions of hand fasting among settlers, which wasn’t a marriage but an informal vow.

The Mosuo/Na people of China famously do not marry.

Hence why I disambiguate between marriage and monogamous binding. heck, monogamous bindings for life are present in a lot of non human social norms too.

But marriage is different in that it’s a formalized procedure to do the binding, and in many cultures was tied to the religious or governmental authority figure as a form of bookkeeping and control, or to show political bindings.

And back to the point of causation/correlation, is marriage integral to success? I’d argue not since hand fasting continued into very relatively (to human history) recent times.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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I’ve hit rock bottom a few times in my life. Once I was food insecure and another I was on short term disability for burnout. My latest period of strife is due to a traumatic death and a couple of near deaths of loved ones. I’ve done a ton of therapy, read self-help books, had executive coaching. What’s helped the most was deciding what I want my life to be, understanding the gap between here and there, then making incremental changes.

Regularly, throughout the day I remind myself that I am strong in my body. I am confident. I am a successful entrepreneur. Anytime a thought enters my brain stating otherwise, I pause and switch back to focusing on what I want.

What you focus on magnifies. You don’t have to believe every thought that enters your mind. You may feel empty in many moments, but I’m sure if you look hard you will find small moments throughout the day where you feel fulfilled like when you’re exercising. You also made it into a PhD program despite your dysfunctional upbringing. States of being are not binary so you don’t need to attach yourself to a state of emptiness and self-doubt. They can co-exist with other states of being.

It’s normal to feel stressed in a PhD program, especially toward the end. It’s also common for relationships to be impacted as graduate school is a transformative and demanding experience.

Keep going, keep your head up, and be kind to yourself. Replace self-doubt with self-compassion. There’s a new and exciting life waiting for you. By this time next year, this will all be behind you.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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There exists no society at all without marriage. The reason marriage is absolute central in all cultures and civilization is not because it's been forced onto people by bad men or because people think it's better, the reason is that cultures or people who don't practice marriage die out quickly.

Which culture died quickly due to not practicing marriage?

All of them. They couldn't establish themselves enough to leave any important traces in history and are effectively erased. Sexual liberation is not a new idea, the reason why it's not traditional is because it is unsustainable and can never grow to a tradition

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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I’m sorry that you’re having a hard time. Calling this rock bottom, or even YOUR rock bottom, is…incredibly ‘Hacker News privileged’, or at the very least needlessly hyperbolic. I don’t think I’m reading too far between the lines to glean that you aren’t aware of the fine fine line between yourself and someone that’s far far far “worse off” than you.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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We can only control our actions and reactions, we don’t have much control over the outcomes of those ..

So taking away the burden of specific outcomes and just keep doing whatever may be our actions as matter of duty is way to free up ourselves from stress and anxiety that comes when outcomes don’t meet our expectations..

It’s perfectly alright to expect the things to turn out in certain ways but it’s another thing to be attached to expectations of those outcomes ..

We are tiny creatures in grand scheme of world around us… accepting it and finding something to be grateful for in our everyday life is way to go IMO..

New partners will be found, new relationships will be developed, things can be studied/ researched for whole life .. what matters most in this moment to be able to acknowledge that we have very little control over things around us and being grateful for whatever we have in our life..

I found Bhagavad Gita to be very empowering.. May be you will as well ..

Good luck !

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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Consider activities that broaden your perspective, e.g. reading a biography or travel somewhere.

Consider journaling deeply about areas that trouble you, whether recent or distant past. Also consider journaling in detail about the best possible outcome for yourself. Forcing yourself to organize thoughts in writing can help understand confusing situations.

If therapist isn't working, find another one. It's totally normal to try several.

Best of luck and good on you asking for help.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which culture died quickly due to not practicing marriage?

All of them. They couldn't establish themselves enough to leave any important traces in history and are effectively erased. Sexual liberation is not a new idea, the reason why it's not traditional is because it is unsustainable and can never grow to a tradition

You do realize people can have sex, procreate and raise families without marriage, right? "Sexual liberation" doesn't negate sex, it only negates the proscription of involuntary sex and gender roles through patriarchy.

Also:

>All of them.

All of whom? Surely you can give us specific examples. Your certainty must based on solid archaeological and anthropological evidence, right?

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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> I've also started therapy 2 months ago, but it's going slow and it hasn't been very useful yet. My #1 piece of advice is, find a new therapist. Therapy isn't one size fits all. You need to not only find the right type of "modality" for you (e.g. CBT and IFS* are worlds apart, generally you want somebody "integrative/eclectic" who will combine the right modalities for you), but you also simply need to find somebody…

This can also be a pattern of avoidance. If you are challenged and you dont want to face the hard issues you quit and find another one.

I'm talking about finding your first long-term therapist, to try out several.

Not about jumping therapists every three or six months.

Also, people who can't face the hard issues generally just quit therapy altogether. They don't usually jump therapists. Switching therapists really is usually because it's not working, and more of the same therapist isn't going to help.

Re: Ask HN: How did you rebuild yourself after having hit rock bottom?

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I was in a similar position in the past. My ex (5 y togheter) broke up with me in a very sudden to me manner. Details aside, my whole life did a backflip and fall on a neck. I was super depressed, crying and lost af.

First thing I did was to reach out to my friends. It is really hard to have any kind of constructive perspective in such situations. That’s were the most trusted people are needed. If you don’t have too many close friends, and it may sound a bit desperate but stay with me, find anyone who seems friendly and is willing to listen. You can also do something creative. Trust your common sense what feels refreshing to you. What makes you lighter. Just find a way to share your feelings and emotions. If you want to feel better you can’t seethe in resentment. You can’t carry past this way. You have to learn what it is and how to put it aside.

The next big step for me was to realise that there are other women that I could like as much as my ex. It was very surprising to me that someone else could be as lovely as she. That I could like someone else. Or maybe even love. But to do that I needed to meet a lot of people and put myself out there. I reached out to my friends to spent time togheter, I went to festivals and try to shift from very closed social circle to meeting a lot of new ppl.

The last step (this is a big generalisation) was to realise that I want to be happy. That I want to make myself into a person that’s happy. I don’t want people or things to make me happy. I want to be able to do it on my own. I explored isha yoga, wim hof practices, read many books (I searched HN and Reddit for “books that changed your life” and read a few). I had set my priority to “I need to feel better before I will decide what to do next”. And it is nothing nice. I learnt a lot about my mistakes. I asked my friends to tell me all the brutal truths they can manage about myself. It was crashing. Crash after crash I disillusioned myself from what I thought was working pretty well in me. But every time, after a few days I felt… better? Like more honest about who I am right now and who I would like to be. And that there’s a difference I need to accept and start to work on.

It is a very brief summary. I hope it will be at least a little bit helpful to you or anyone. Let me know if I could help anyhow or answer any questions.

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