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> Even committed parents and spouses take alone time for themselves and have hobbies. The parents I know with kids younger than 7 have no time for themselves or their hobbies. They're lucky if they can scrape together a few hours a week for basic self-care. In the mornings the kids demand full attention and after the kids go to bed there's maybe time for a single TV show which one person falls asleep during. > how ca…
Are you speaking from personal experience? I am a parent and have a younger daughter and I have many other parent friends, we all had kids within a similar age range. I have plenty of time to spend with my family and I am also the founder of a successful company. If anything, being a parent taught me how to be very efficient with my time and how to cut things out that were meaningless. The arrangement I have with my…
Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?
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#262Can you educate on why the existence of wife and children is such a burden? Is it social committments? Children don't take up 8+ hours a day after 1yro+ And wives... get one that understands stuff like this? I ask because I know multiple talented people using this as an excuse to not use their abilities as they claim they want to. My ignorant guess would be people these days think you need to spend a ton of time with…
This stuck out to me. I'm not sure if you're serious, but I'll bite.
Kids need more than pets. They're people, not a puppy. You can't just leave them to figure it out on their own, nor can you lock them in a box with a tablet and some Cheerios, although I'm sure most parents have wished they could from time to time.
They're still pretty useless after 1 as well. Barely walking, still not talking, can't read or write, definitely can't call up and order a pizza.
What will they eat? Good home cooked meals, or out of a box? There's no kiddie-kibble...
Who will clean up the mess and spills from that meal? Cleaning with kids around is like brushing your teeth while you eat an Oreo. There's about a 6 foot blast radius to every snack. Do you just let the place get filthy?
Who will help wipe their butt for that first five years? Lots of kids don't potty train until 3-4. Some are still having accidents after that. Now they need a shower too. And how's your laundry pile looking?
What if your kid has health problems? An appointment a week, maybe more? The appointment is 30 minutes away. An hour for the appointment. How's that day looking?
I could ramble on, but having little people around is absolutely time consuming.
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#263The first thing you have to do is make sure your finances are stable. That means make and follow a family budget, cut what is unnecessary, bank everything you can, and build 3-6 months of living expenses.
If you aren't willing or able do that as a family, you are not ready to go out on your own.
BUT during that time, you're not sitting still. You should be sketching out ideas, talking to prospective customers, getting feedback, and adjusting as you go. You may even be able to build UIs or potentially an MVP, do it. You're still in a VERY low risk stage.
If you aren't willing or able do that as an entrepreneur, you are not ready to go out on your own.
If you can accomplish BOTH of the above, you should have: a better conceived idea with real feedback, a list of prospective customers, a family on board with what you're doing, and the savings to give it a shot.
THEN you're ready.
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#264High risk startup with investors pressuring you to go big or go broke is not the only model.
Build a sustainable business, whether you do it full time or you do it on the side.
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#265First, you need to have your spouse onboard. When I mean onboard, I mean she needs to understand that most of homelife is going to be shifted soley on her. I cannot stress this enough. This means kids birthdays, soccer practice, ..., you know the drill if you're a parent. There is almost a 100% chance you will end up divorced, during the process, or after at somepoint. Doing this is going to change you, and change your spouse. I cannot describe the amount of stress you're about to endure. If you're going home at 5pm, you're doing it wrong.
You need to define goals for your personal life, and for your business. They need to be detailed, and aligned. If you miss a major milestone, things just got that much harder.
Next, you need to have a product (at least a prototype). "looking for product-market-fit" is not how you go into this. You should have identified a problem others are having, and know the solution before you even start.
You need a business plan, it doesn't need to be formal. You need to know your burn rate, and what it will cost to get you to the next steps, which is to find an angel or other investor, or revenue stream that funds you, and then to productization, and whatever your exit strategy is going to be. Remember above goals.
I contracted my engineers out to help fund our main product line, after I had my first contract in place, and then was able to bring on investors. Find people with investments in oil & gas. They have tons of cash, and they don't mind losing it. Having the revenue stream helps potential investors. You learn why.
Depending on your product/service, you're going to need a customer. This is the really hard part. You need to find someone that needs your product, that is willing to go through the trials and tribulations with you.
Hire an attorney, or at least find one that will work with you. If your product interrupts the market in anyway, be prepared for lawsuits. I had two lawsuits that I won both. It cost me a portion of the company. I had no way to pay them.
Do not give equity out. Equity is worthless until it is not. Beware of the wolves, and sharks. Wolves want to be part of your pack, and feed on your winnings from the inside. Sharks are looking for a quick buck. They are easier to spot. Only work with people that can contribute.
The single best advice I received was from the president of Challenger Capital. He told me this, "Go for the throat, because if you don't, they will." That was the only piece of advise he was able to give me, and it turned out to be the best advise I could have received.
Your first startup will be the hardest.
I started my first company with $2400 dollars in my checking account, a pregnant wife, a mortgage, and very little debt. Six months after the aquisition, my wife filed for divorce, and then tried to take it all.
If I am really honest, looking back; I don't know if I would do it again.
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Are you speaking from personal experience? I am a parent and have a younger daughter and I have many other parent friends, we all had kids within a similar age range. I have plenty of time to spend with my family and I am also the founder of a successful company. If anything, being a parent taught me how to be very efficient with my time and how to cut things out that were meaningless. The arrangement I have with my…
Congrats to you that you've made this work. I've made attempts at the "super efficient optimise every moment" thing and it always eventually collapses for me with severe mental exhaustion. I cannot be "on" that much. It just isn't in me.
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> You signed up for a bunch of responsibilities. You are always going to be your kids parent. You are only going to have this one opportunity to get this marriage and this family right. I think this is a bit of a depressing take. Even committed parents and spouses take alone time for themselves and have hobbies. Just treat your side project as your hobby and you can still have a healthy family. Also, think about how…
To me, it's not the time - but the energy. I have about 4 solid "mentally productive" hours in a day that use up the majority of my mental brain energy. Trying to cultivate that energy to do a side hustle after kids are asleep is the real challenge. Source: 2 kids, 4 and 6.
I've been kinda weaseling lately and just working on my startup during my best hours before work. Mr. Fangman will be satisfied even if I just "meet expectations", and I'd rather put my best efforts into something that can pay off bigger than a 5-6 figure yearly bonus
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If it's your startup, choose a location to work that's close to home, and have the kids come over. I fondly remember running around the overly large halls of various companies my dad worked for which were startup or startup adjacent.
Or better yet recognize that it's 2022 and just work from home.