Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018? • Hacker News Board

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by tim333 » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 8:53 AM UTC

pbreit wrote: post #154

Web2py (Python framework) includes an Ubuntu (and other) setup scripts plus a Fabric fab file for one command deploys that works pretty well. Web2py comes with a bootstrap welcome app that gives you user mgmt, authentication, admin and DB access with about a click.

I've web2py on digital ocean. A good thing is it's multi app so if you want another you click new and have a new hello world almost instantly. Setting up www.myhello-world.com and linking it takes about 5 min.

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>A big aspect of what I'm wondering is about automatically setting something up for keeping local/production environments in sync, quickly deploying to production, and not having to mess with a bunch of server configuration things, user accounts, security, etc.

The config, accounts default to secure useable stuff

Auto is sync doesn't really happen but its a matter of clicking "pack all" on local web2py and then "upload" on the one on the server.

On the minus side it doesn't have that many users.

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by hellofunk » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 8:59 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #168

Vanilla php + html5up + sqlite3. Everyone else here is trying to be stylish and fancy. Your customers don't care what language it's in or whether the code is beautiful. No cutting edge incomplete frameworks, convoluted tooling, piles of inaccurate documentation to read, inexplicable cryptic error messages with a bunch of incorrect solutions on stack overflow, or other incompetently over engineered bullshit. Just go a…

This comment is highly presumptuous about the actual development experience of more modern languages and tools.

> True speed comes when you don't have to deal with other people's bugs and poorly designed mistakes.

PHP is often, in practice, a language where bugs are more likely compared to these "stylish" other languages you mention. [0]

[0] http://delivery.acm.org/10.1145/3130000/3126905/p91-ray.pdf?...

" For [languages] with positive coefficients we can expect that the language is associated with a greater number of defect fixes. These languages include C, C++, Objective-C, Php, and Python. The languages Clojure, Haskell, Ruby, and Scala, all have negative coefficients implying that these languages are less likely than average to result in defect fixing commits."

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by oreganoz » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:04 AM UTC

hellofunk wrote: post #249

oreganoz wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does Clojurescript support stuff like hot code reloading? And does Clojure have any good framework for an actor system implementation? Because I've been interesting to get an excuse and try Clojure out and what you're saying is really interesting.

Clojure has its own very effective strategy for multi-threading, and it is not the actor model. The language is built for concurrency and much careful language design was tailor-made for the challenges on modern threaded applications. Rich Hickey investigated the actor model considerably, and decided on a different model. In the core language, you have the choice of using its normal futures/threads with highly effici…

Yeah, that's nice for multi-threading but it does not seem as good for distributed systems. This is why I still don't know if I should invest in Clojure or Elixir.

Can the REPL on the server be used to update production systems with no downtime?

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by reitanqild » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:05 AM UTC

nooyurrsdey wrote: post #63

For some reason people seem to constant doubt Ruby-ists and Rails Devs. I completely get that other languages have huge benefits over Ruby. Golang being compiled or Java running anywhere, etc... And ruby is slow, totally understood. But if youre talking about getting a functioning webapp up and running quickly ... no way anyone is beating a Rails dev in setting one up. The piping and scaffolding are all built in and…

Somewhere around 2006, after my first enthusiasm about Rails I realised I could get almost the same, with a language that is more natural for me, has more developers here, as well as cheap hosting options (less of a concern now) by going with php/symfony.

Later I've been enjoying

- a php microframework that slips my mind

- python/flask/sqlalchemy

- JavaEE (yup, except JSF)

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by zepolen » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:07 AM UTC

friedman23 wrote: post #164

jamestimmins wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you expand on your logic here? Is this because Python ORMs have gotten too bloated?

They are bloated and they are not performant. If you are using Node and the main benefit of node is its asynchronous execution flow you would be shooting yourself in the foot by using an ORM and gaining all the overhead that comes from serialization and deserialization.

Your comment reeks of inexperience.

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by metaos » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:07 AM UTC

markholmes wrote: post #210

cel1ne wrote: post #202

Kotlin, gradle, closure and tachyons.css. I wrote a short buildscript for that setup that i copy.

Tachyons is really underrated. Not having to write CSS - and more importantly, not having to debug the CSS you write today in five years - is really great.

I've been using the Tachyons style since IE6 on my platform - never looked back! https://meta-os.com/ It shrinks the total amount of CSS & style enormously as well.

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by shapiro92 » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:16 AM UTC

.net core + vanilla js + azure + mssql (which is non visible if you stick to the framework) no need for FE framework unless you want a SPA. you can get free credits on azure and deploy via VS code/studio in a click.

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by asadjb » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:17 AM UTC

Django web app deployed to Heroku is the fastest way I know of right now.

Django because that's what I know best. I can code a basic CRUD app (which is basically 90% of all apps I have ever needed to build) in a few hours.

Heroku because a simple procfile and push to a git remote is all that's needed to launch the application.

I think the best piece of advice I would give is to use whatever you're most comfortable with. If you use a new technology that saves you 50% on deployment time, but adds days to the time you need for actual development because you are unfamiliar with it, is not worth it in my opinion.

Deployment/setup takes maybe an hour or 2 for the kinds of basic app I think you're talking about. Development is easily days or weeks. Optimizing deployment over development is optimizing the wrong thing in my opinion.

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by geekuillaume » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:17 AM UTC

I wrote a NodeJS API "Kickstarter" to create my REST API quick and deploy them to Kubernetes (or Docker) easily: https://github.com/geekuillaume/nodejs-api-kickstarter. For the front-end, I use React-boilerlate: https://github.com/react-boilerplate/react-boilerplate

Re: Ask HN: What's your favorite way of getting a web app up quickly in 2018?

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Post by dom96 » Sun, Jun 03, 2018, 9:19 AM UTC

marcus_holmes wrote: post #13

I write the server-side in Go, cross-compile to a Linux binary, and set that up as a service on a vanilla Ubuntu box (usually Digital Ocean). Deploying a new version is a matter of sftp'ing the new binary (and any templates, images, etc) over the top of the old one and restarting the service. If I need a database then I use Postgres, and the setup for that can be a pain, so I get it documented/scripted using Ansible.…

Your start is good but you add complexity on top of it. Install Golang on your VPS, clone the source code on it and compile it there instead of messing with cross compilation.

Also use sqlite to avoid the pain of setting up a SQL server, there is no need for it.

You can then easily get systemd to supervise your binary.

This is how I host all my web apps, the main difference is that I don't use Go but Nim. If you want a great framework match up then check out Jester + Karax, see how I developed the Nim Forum using this combination.