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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by mlrtime »

weatherlight wrote: post #147
madspindel wrote: post #50

I've sold all my holdings in US companies to instead invest in STOXX Europe 600 alternatives. I know others here in Sweden that have said they have done the same. In Sweden, Russia has always been the enemy. My prediction is that France and Germany will soon join the Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) and it will be the end of NATO. UK will probably join the Maximator intelligence alliance. The death of Five Eyes and NA…

I'm a dual citizen (US, Spain), I moved to Spain 1 year ago. I need to completely divest from the US.

You're still paying taxes.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by zapperdulchen »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #240
Daril wrote: post #112

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Sure ! Here you can find a list of alternatives : https://european-alternatives.eu/ I self hosting almost everything, but for a complete suite of services take at look at Infomaniak : https://www.infomaniak.com/en Protonmail ( https://proton.me/mail ) or Tutanota ( https://tuta.com/ ) for end-to-end encrypted emails, Filen ( https://filen.io/ ) for encrypted Cloud Storage

FYI Proton mail (or, they claim, just the CEO) is pro Trump.

To me this is a simplification. The CEO applauded a hiring decision. His social media team amplified it.

Here’s the tweet: https://x.com/andyyen/status/1864436449942110660

Some have interpreted this as a political signal. The Intercept article provides additional context and takes a more critical view: https://theintercept.com/2025/01/28/proton-mail-andy-yen-tru...

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by fifilura »

Redori wrote: post #250
dopidopHN wrote: post #247

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You mean… less financial market performance ? That’s the downside/response to an alliance with Russia? Whaou.

I meant for selling US companies to invest in European stocks

This is the same thing that the US government is doing for you.

Divesting from the rest of the world by introducing tariffs.

Enjoy!

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by 827a »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #243
827a wrote: post #225

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Well, that's the thing; I don't know what peoples' concerns are. I hear a lot of complaints about vague generalities (like what you just said) and ominous future-fear about a dictatorship, but I struggle to connect any of those concerns back to specific orders. Much of them just sound like an expression of a generalized anxiety disorder tbh. I think the spending cuts are generally justified under something akin to "w…

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If you're going to resort to calling others here "fascist clowns", again, you should really meditate on how much of your thinking is influenced by the media you consume. You aren't actually reading and understanding; you're glancing and concluding.

I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. I don't know how to convince you of this; you might be too deep into the disillusion to be pulled out. I can at least say on "having the official government channels call him a "king"", it was an unofficial channel (Trump's personal truth social feed) where he said that; and I think a reasonable conclusion is that its a reference to the very common title "The King Of New York" (because he was speaking on NYC congestion pricing), claimed by The Notorious B.I.G, Jay-Z has called himself that, its literally the name of a movie, Trump is from New York, its just a thing people say. You might not have known that, and that's ok; some of us are here to learn, and I would encourage you to have an open mind and try to learn yourself.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by 827a »

trust_bt_verify wrote: post #235
827a wrote: post #225

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Well, that's the thing; I don't know what peoples' concerns are. I hear a lot of complaints about vague generalities (like what you just said) and ominous future-fear about a dictatorship, but I struggle to connect any of those concerns back to specific orders. Much of them just sound like an expression of a generalized anxiety disorder tbh. I think the spending cuts are generally justified under something akin to "w…

You must be against the proposed tax cuts as we do not have money for those either, right?

Ultimately I am supportive of a surplus budget. For the next fiscal year, it comes down to how much spending the government is able to cut. I will say, the whole idea of DOGE giving $5,000 to every American feels quite unrealistic and unnecessary; that money is far better suited being dedicated toward stabilizing the fiscal situation of the federal government.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by weddpros »

toss1 wrote: post #249
weddpros wrote: post #248

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It's more likely that Europe will double down on its politics as they always do. If it doesn't work, try harder with more of it: more rules, more laws, more exceptions to rules, more special cases, more Switch and If/Then/Else. Think technical debt with 0 refactoring ever, because you can't break the existing system, only grow it. A refactoring, that's how I see what the government is currently doing in the USA. (I'm…

The problem is, the refactoring being done is optimizing for 1) destroying the capability of any agency that was potentially impeding Musk's companies e.g., by investigating illegal activities, 2) implementing cultural war measures to distract the populace, and 3) decapitating and threatening institutions that are normally independent in democracies to serve the executive, as in fascism Not exactly a healthy refactor…

I see where you stand, and I hear a lot of negative anticipation. What happens if things actually go well in the end?

1- I think the previous administration used various agencies to avoid justice quite a lot. Heard of a laptop maybe? If agencies were shields for the last admin’s messes, why assume they’re pure now?

2- I wouldn't say republicans started the cultural wars over progressive ideologies

3- The US still votes, judges rule, hardly a dictatorship. Fascists charm everyone, while Trump and Musk two just piss half off

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by Erem »

827a wrote: post #255
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #243

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If you're going to resort to calling others here "fascist clowns", again, you should really meditate on how much of your thinking is influenced by the media you consume. You aren't actually reading and understanding; you're glancing and concluding. I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. I don't know how to convince you of this; you might be too deep into the disillusion t…

Siding with the Russians over the Ukrainians has obviously happened. Same with unprecedented power grabs in the form of presidential control over congressionally mandated independent agencies.

All of this has been so widely reported by both national and international media that I argue it doesn’t require citation

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

827a wrote: post #255
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #243

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If you're going to resort to calling others here "fascist clowns", again, you should really meditate on how much of your thinking is influenced by the media you consume. You aren't actually reading and understanding; you're glancing and concluding. I honestly don't think anything you've suggested has happened has actually happened. I don't know how to convince you of this; you might be too deep into the disillusion t…

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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by AlecSchueler »

lolinder wrote: post #205
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #199

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Thanks for this, as an American I was stressing out. But if it's only Europeans with internet access talking about it we should be fine. Let's just hope Europeans don't start using the internet.

Assuming that you commented in good faith and legitimately didn't understand: Their point is that OP likely underestimates the effect of their particular filter bubble on their perception of the universality of the discussion and sentiment.

Why do you think that's more likely than the top level comments underestimating the effect of "thought leaders?" Sure, "most people" aren't talking about divesting their stocks or moving their manufacturing contracts, but where they ever talking about investments in the first place?
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