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Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

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Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#251
I don't post here much because I tend to hate the comments. When someone has shared a blog where I referenced mental health once, I was called out for it as "one of those people" and that's messed up.

Yes, tons of people go through this feeling and you never know because they don't talk about it.

In addition to info above - I'd share the following. You don't need these things to be better, necessarily, and anxiety will create traps to overemphasize the feelings of importance you have (and frequency) about certain thoughts. Comparison is also a source of dissatisfaction.

I would recommend talking with someone who can explain the traps of magical thinking and explain some resiliency techniques, as well as researching this on your own (i.e. CBT) but also looking pretty seriously into mindfulness and some of the core concepts that got built up around Buddhism.

People think of it as a religion but it's basically 2000 years of practice built up around mental health and understanding why people are unhappy and how to change that, and it solves it just by changing perspectives about thinking. Ignore the religious parts and it's still just as solid. Once you start to experience greater space between thoughts and understand some of the concepts about attachment to ideas and wants, and can minimize the concepts of "self", you can have a completely new perspective.

Anxiety will create a way to show you that you need things and you can't get to the things you have, and you don't really need those things (you can still get them) and the stories aren't necessarily true.

One of the dangers of programming is it teaches you to predict failure/disaster, and I think some of this thinking is an occupational hazard (running startups more so!) where you think you can anticipate how the future will work out and try to prevent "outages" of sorts, and this is something you have to avoid.

We tend to value thinking and the idea that thinking solves all of our problems, but the foreground thinking we do is not the most accurate and best parts of our minds, and takes us out from observing the things around us.

Finally, depression is technically a disease that has a bit of a feedback loop in it. It's difficult to reason in that situation. Don't make yourself try and don't worry about having timetables.

I also recommend the exercise suggestion and having some easy regular things to look forward to, even if it's just a couple of classes at the gym. Even that kind of socialization is often enough.

On the entrepreneurship question, I didn't have those skills either and still did ok -- that's just you probably wanting to be authentic and not fake. But making it isn't all you think either. Lots of people with a lot of wealth and success can still be unhappy, people with wives and kids can still be depressed.

Hence I think really diving into the mindfulness aspects and trusting in neuroplasticity is transformative - things can get better, even if they only get 1% better every day along some sort of Xeno's paradox curve, they are still getting better.

Even some basic supplement changes can make a big difference - vitamin D, adoptogens, etc. Rather than treating it like an experiment where you want to find one solution, it's reasonable to try a lot of things to make changes at once.

Another analog is burnout is kind of a form of brain damage (that can manifest about worrying about other things) - it takes a long time to recover from, so give yourself some credit and empathesize with having whatever issues, but realize they are also not "you".

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#252
I would do one of the following:

- Travel. Maybe get your motorcycle license if you don't have one already and do a long journey such as the Pan American highway. But there is something about travelling that puts things in perspective and makes you appreciate life more. Going slow on the road is different to just flying into somewhere. It is more of an achievement. If this appeals to you, get a subscription to Apple TV and watch Long Way Up where Ewan McGregor and Charley Boorman do half of it on electric bikes. They also have two earlier seasons but this one is probably more relevant to you as they are in their late 40s. The two of them are noticeably happier and carefree by the end of the journey.

- If you want to stay in one place, create goals for the following:

- A fitness goal. Choose something measurable in either something you've never tried before or something you know you enjoy. Maybe it's achieving a deadlift PR. Maybe it's running a 5k. Get a solid plan for it that you can stick to, either via an app or via a coach or exercise group.

- An education goal. Choose something you've always wanted to learn or something that will help you with your career. Can be an app or a college course. Do 15 mins of it a day. Duolingo is perfect for this as you can see yourself progressing every day.

- Choose a project. Can be something career related or creative. Work on it for 15 minutes every day. Set up a blog and write about your progress every day on the internet. There are super simple low tech options out there like blot.im and bear blog that do not require any coding skills whatsoever. Post on here when you have set up the blog so we can all follow in your progress.

You need to get your confidence back and you will only get it back by doing challenging things. Start as small as you possibly can. If you have never ran before, your goal is 1 mile. Once you have achieved 1 mile your next goal is 2. Do NOT start with the goal of a marathon. If you do this and you fail for whatever reason (even for stuff outside of your control like getting an injury) you are going to fall back into the depressive mindset thinking you can't achieve your goals. If that happens and you have achieved a few goals already it won't have nearly as much impact - you can just pivot to a different training goal like a flexibility goal or a swimming goal.

Get a copy of Atomic Habits by James Clear. It lives up to the hype.

One more thing:

Journal every day. Right down what went right, what went wrong, and what you can try out to improve things. Rant out on the page if you need to then get back out there.

You've got this.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#253
Have you considered looking into a career in CAD support? I was a manager of a CAD support team for a while- my team was cohesive and did a variety of different things and made connections/were close to their customers. A blend of ME/IT is perfect for it. Look into moving to Poland and maybe Canada as well, a lot of EU companies seem to be outsourcing to Poland and Canada seems to be increasing their immigration quotas

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#254
post #57

Just turned 47 this morning. I do have the kids, house, and accomplished most of the things I wanted to when I was a kid... but there's always more, there's always the things I haven't done, the things I have failed at, and the list goes on. I too feel the bitterness, anger, and disillusionment of the current state of the economy, my career, etc. I wonder how much of this is a product of those of us working in tech r…

Happy Birthday!

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#255

You need to see a therapist. Your problem is largely on your outlook on where you are in life. This is not meant to be a buck up or shut up comment, it's just that you can't improve your life until you change your outlook on things. You won't be able to move forward on things until you confront your feelings and accept your position to move out of it. To answer your question, yes. My 30's were a mess with a divorce,…

A therapist is helpful but I would also suggest seeing a psychiatrist. Clinical depression and mood issues need to be treated with medication. I would recommend finding a psychiatrist and get a referral for therapist from them if you are able to. You would be able to work together with both medication and theraphy to get better. It will take bit of a time to get better but don't be discouraged, OP. Progress will be s…

100% second that.

Psychiatrists are real doctors with scientific, comprehensive, rigid education in STEM.

Last thing you want is a pseudo PhD from Berkeley who majored in psychology and studied "human rights" as her thesis.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#256
As others have suggested: seek professional help.

But also, the thing I try to recall when I feel the most "stuck", is that despite how anything external to me plays out, I will always have the opportunity for inner growth. I always have the opportunity to rethink my perspective, and to be more at peace, more content, more amused, more appreciative. Sometimes (when I really need it) I go through the exercise of thanking the universe for the opportunity to grow.

Good luck.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#257
post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please refrain from comments that could put people in danger. It is at best careless to say to someone with possible depression therapy may not be the answer.

I have not suggested that. I strongly suggest trying theraphy above. The point of my comment is to also strongly consider theraphy with a medical practioner who will be able to help you using medication or diagnose any issues that a therapist cannot. A therapist isn't qualified to make any diagnosis or prescribe tests and medication.

So sorry I replied to the wrong thread. I left another comment on your here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34053767

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#258
Well, yes. You can definitely do this, but you really have to find something you care about and that motivates you to get up and go. Many people have changed their lives in their forties and fifties by doing this. I do think there are some ground rules, however.

1) Willingness to put in the hours of work required to acquire new skills, even if this may be harder for older people than it was when you were in your 20s. Set a schedule and stick to it.

2) Willingness to work with other people who may be younger and more skilled than you are in your new area, i.e. put your ego aside and accept a junior role relative to people who may be a decade or more younger than you.

3) Eliminating alcohol and recreational drugs, and getting your body into decent shape via an exercise program - it can be light exercise, but if you're working your mind all the time, you have to do the same with your body.

There are no guarantees of success, of course. Some useful resources are community college courses in areas you are interested in and which might result in job opportunities, online forums of various sorts, public libraries which provide books and other learning opportunities relative to what you think you might like to do. Overcoming procrastination and laziness should be at the top of your mind at all times.

Most importantly, it's just the feeling that you're moving forward that is worth the effort. It's like a fish swimming upstream against the current - at least you're getting somewhere - vs. a log being swept downstream by factors out of your control.

As far as breaking out of a depressive episode, I hesitate to give anyone any advice, but psychedelic therapy (psilocybin) under controlled conditions has a good track record for many people, if available. I think adopting a program of physical and mental exercise is more valuable in the long run, however.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#259
Recognizing there is an issue to address is the half-way point. You are half-way to where you want to be. Celebrate that fact. Few people get that far.

I think the problem you are having is related how you perceive yourself - your positive self-image has been destroyed and replaced with a negative self-image. Please read Psycho-Cybernetics by Dr. Maxwell Maltz. It is a fundamental life-changer that posits our actions and thoughts are a result of how we perceive ourselves, and that this perception is the result of our upbringing and experiences. This isn't just a self-help book. It is the grand-daddy of all books ever written that attempt to build a construct around the most complicated thing in the universe. I'd go so far as to say that book is the foundation for two generations of therapists and self-help personalities. I'm over-simplifying it, of course. Read it. If does nothing else for you, the epiphanies it creates will be satisfying and give you a much-needed perspective, for it seems obvious to me that your problem is mostly related to your mindset.

It is never too late to achieve any goal or dream so long as you are still willing to chase them. Many people don't start a family until they are in their 40s. Some of the most successful businesses were started later in life. Some people don't find happiness (true happiness) until their 60's. This is life. Its different for everyone and there is barely any reason to it so don't try to understand or deconstruct it. Know thyself and nothing more.

I was foolishly trying to find happiness in work or in the many companies I started; even if some were successful, it was all empty until I became aware of meaningless things. I didn't start a family until 38 and didn't find true happiness and real purpose until the moment my first child was born. In my view, this is the meaning of life. If humanity exists for a singular purpose, it is to have children. That doesn't mean you have no purpose if you, by choice or circumstance, have no children. Many people find purpose outside of our natural purpose.

Absent of that experience, the focus should be self-improvement in the areas of mind, body and soul. Improve yourself and others will gravitate to you. Inside of all of us there is a light. Let your light shine. Your light unconsciously gives other people permission to shine.

Ideas for entrepreneurial projects do not come from within. They come from outside and concern themselves with the needs, desires, and pains of others. If you try to sit around and think of them, you will not discover them. You need to look outside of the box, start with a customer in mind and work your way backwards through who they are, what they struggle with, and what they say to themselves about it (internal dialogue - the key to most any business is to get in between the conversation that takes place inside of the customer's head.)

Lastly, if you ever wanted to just talk, I'm a great listener. Good luck to you.

Re: Ask HN: Has anyone here turned around their life in their 40s?

#260
post #229

A lot of good advise here, especially "go see a therapist", but don't underestimate the simple stuff that might get you in this mood. Long periods of bad nutrition, sedentarism and sunlight deprivation have been linked as causes for depression. Look for hacks in your life to help with those while you search for help and answers.

I was going to mention the same. These winter months can be very depressive due to cold weather and lack of sunlight. One of reasons i hate the holidays.

It's important to find sun, travel to a warm sunny destination if you can.

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