Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

news.ycombinator.com

251–260 of 392 posts

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#252
You probably seen this advice before but just in case, here is what worked for me (and should work for anyone, even without ADHD)

1. block time in your calendar, and let your peers and managers know that you are "blocking time to do your actual job"

2. there are slack plugins that auto set you as away / turn off notifications when you have an outlook / calendar meeting

3. use a pomodoro timer

4. focusatwill powertools with noise canceling headphones

5. important - lot's of the distraction is due to FOMO, a simple question that someone asks to get unblocked becomes a forced "meeting without a meeting" where people feel like if they don't respond then their voice will not be heard. This needs talking to the team and coming up with some ground rules to avoid it. You want people to use slack to get unblocked, you don't want people to force others into a FOMO based hour long thread.

6. Agree not to use slack as a ticketing system / documentation system. If someone reports a bug on slack, great, now it's the reporter's responsibility to put it in GitHub Issues / Linear / JIRA etc. Slack is terrible as a ticketing system. If you need something to get done, open a ticket.

7. Your last sentence makes a lot of sense, opening it 2-3x times a day is a great idea.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#253
I'm challenged for 40 years with loosing myself, living above the clouds, focusing heavily on things that fascinate me, procrastinating everything else until pressure kicks in and abusing whatever Dopamine stimulating stuff comes in my way. When I was a kid nobody knew about ADHD. Some Open Source communities are on Discord (SolidJS, Axum) which is challenging for me every time I need to engage. Just reading through the stuff shifts my brain into ADHD mode. Discord is a distraction machine. Slack the same. At my workplace I'm the only person who has MS Teams *only* open for meetings. People who know me are contacting me via E-Mail for years (I read 2-3 times a day), but when I leave it open I get all kinds of spontaneous calls, notifications, etc. that I interpret as a sign that my colleagues aren't organised very well anymore. The whole Office365 suite is creeping into our company and kills peoples ability to focus or being productive. For people like us who actually *feel* the extend to which those new tools (Office365, Slack, Discord) are damaging the performance of teams and the wellbeing of every individual this trend is alarming.

My advice (mostly some general stuff), that works well for me and might help you a bit if you're not already doing this:

- Avoid to much sugar and caffeine. This is tough because it boosts our ability in the short term but kicks us above the clouds (or idle mode) after. So, best is to avoid sugar at all and reduce / control caffein. Of course no alcohol or other drugs. Cold showers really help to get started instead of 3-4 cups of coffee (me).

- Restrict your Slack time to defined time slices. Talk to your boss and team. I really recommend doing your focus work in the morning. First 4 hours of the day to do focus work. In the second half of the day do organisational stuff including reading through slack, etc.

- I'm doing Yoga Nidra for over 10 years and it restores my energy and ability to focus. Any relaxation technique should work. You might look for Andrew Huberman NSDR (Non Sleep Deep Rest) tracks or similar. For me, Pomodoro Technique works well. In the 30 minutes break I do Yoga Nidra. Andrew Huberman's podcasts about this stuff are amazing, but also a great source of distraction, of course. If I should recommend one podcast then it would be the "Focus Toolkit".

- We need to avoid distractions at all costs. Our minds are jumping after every little conscious or unconscious excitement kick. So, for your (let's say 2-4) productive ours, all this stuff needs to be shut out. Including your phone.

Last: There's been a large study that comes to the conclusion, that "a wandering mind is an unhappy mind". I find that's absolutely true. That means for us highly distractible earthlings our live goal should be seeking calmness and to do this to perform systematically actions that lead us to calmness, like doing relaxation and focus training every day.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#254

I don’t have ADHD but I get very distracted by Slack. Here’s what worked for me. 1. Slack app uninstalled on my phone. If I need it for something, I install it, use it, then delete again. 2. Slack app on my laptop fully closed by default. 3. Set times (about 5 a day) to check in and respond to notifications and scan channels. When I was a senior manager with lots of actually important messages these blocks were about…

Have you tried Slack in a browser with notifications turned off? Possibly kept in a separate browser profile, so you can quickly open and close as needed? Or even just minimized until needed.

It's incredible that this isn't the official recommended way to use slack in a large organization. It shouldn't even ask to issue notifications if there will be a ridiculous frequency of them. Organizations will eventually not purchase a service if that service destroys productivity.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#256
A few years ago I joined an employer that doesn't have chat at all (a university, schools and government seem to be where you're most likely to find this) and after a few months I marveled over why I was getting so much done without working overtime and why I wasn't so exhausted when I got home.

I am healthier in every way (the visible change literally makes people's jaw drop), I have energy for a social life and side projects, and my work is higher quality than ever. I'm making a lot less than I could elsewhere but right now it's worth it.

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Turn off icon badging as well. No notifications really means _no_ notifications. This is the way.

But then there's the anxiety of waiting like 4 hours, opening it, and seeing a bunch of critical messages you weren't around for. I need either a robot that will gently tap me on the shoulder and quietly tell me to check my notifications, or somehow relay the badge to a collar on my dog so he can bark at me. The badge is the worst. The sounds are the worst. At this point I rather just have a landline people can call…

> there's the anxiety of waiting like 4 hours, opening it, and seeing a bunch of critical messages you weren't around for.

Tell people to call your phone if it is urgent. Everything else can wait 4 hours, right?

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#258
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you manage virtual desktops on windows? I used to but found it annoying to maintain which windows go where, when restarting would always reset the settings

Win10+ has virtual desktops built in, before that I used the SysInternals Desktops utility. To get Alt-1,2,3,4 working I use AutoHotKey. I can’t recall which script I use (been ages since I changed it) but it works like this one with some edits for keys. https://github.com/pmb6tz/windows-desktop-switcher For windows I definitely recommend also installing PowerToys. You can set up different snap grids for each desktop…

Yeah I used to use W10's virtual desktops; I got tired of having to reconfigure the desktops every time I rebooted the laptop. Big fan of powertoys, although I keep forgetting all the tools it has to utilize though xP

I'll hafta see if they've updated it, and look into fancy zones. They look like the tiling manager I've always wanted in windows

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#259
post #78

I started using 4 virtual desktops to manage distractions many years ago and it’s worked wonderfully for me. Desktop 1 is for chat, email, Spotify, and general web browsing. Desktop 2 is for software development only, nowadays VSCode. A separate browser profile is used here and only for development related browsing (docs, stack overflow, live testing). Desktop 3 is data and system administration. Remote terminals, Ex…

How do you remove the desktop-switching animation on macOS? I'd like to use the virtual desktops feature but the animation is unbearably slow, and I was unable to find a way to disable it online even after extensive searching. Afaik "just use Linux" still isn't an option on my 2019 (Intel) MBP due to lack of support for basic stuff like Wi-Fi and keyboard :(

There is an app for this. Reduce motion is still slow fade animation. The app was a little buggy but mostly worked like Linux tiling window managers.

The apps price was a few bucks. I can’t remember the name of it, but I’m looking an will edit if I find it.

Edit: no dice. All I can do is assure you it’s technically possible and some external WM apps out there may do it for you

Re: Ask HN: I have diagnosed ADHD and cannot work with Slack anymore – advice?

#260

I don’t have ADHD but I get very distracted by Slack. Here’s what worked for me. 1. Slack app uninstalled on my phone. If I need it for something, I install it, use it, then delete again. 2. Slack app on my laptop fully closed by default. 3. Set times (about 5 a day) to check in and respond to notifications and scan channels. When I was a senior manager with lots of actually important messages these blocks were about…

you can also turn off notifications or tweak them by channel - you can turn off @here and @channel too.
Post reply on HN