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Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by altilunium »

imaginaryNumb3r wrote: post #93
m0guz wrote: post #90

I don't know how people think Firefox has feature-rich bookmark manager, probably never used a browser that cares about power-users. Firefox can't even open Bookmark manager in a new tab, whole bookmark feature hasn't improved in 15 years. Vivaldi has the best bookmark management in UX/UI. > i want to be able to quickly load common favourite news sites & blogs. Right click on a tab > Bookmark all tabs. Vivaldi create…

I second Vivaldi. The people I know who tried it never went back.

Vivaldi's "reading list" feature is better than just a simple "bookmark".

You can read it offline and sync it from mobile browser to PC browser.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by gitgud »

Jaruzel wrote: post #134

I run a remote 'home page' that lets me add/remove links via a web-form (it's written in PHP). I have this home page set on all my machines/browsers. That was I'm in total control of my 'bookmarks', and their are not trapped on a particular machine or inside a proprietary sync system.

Is it protected in any way or publicly accessible? Always wondering how people handle this

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by cma »

hk__2 wrote: post #247
cma wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$0.02 per click is not cheap for your own name, and this protection is more like protection in the mafia sense of the term.

> $0.02 per click is not cheap for your own name, and this protection is more like protection in the mafia sense of the term. This is something you have to pay only if someone else is bidding on your own brand. Otherwise you’re already the first result and you don’t need any ad. This occurs only if you’re already a big player, and so $0.02 is nothing for you compared to what your competitors are spending. There’s not…

For Ford, $0.02 per click is millions, which is all I said.

> This occurs only if you’re already a big

I see this for a tiny local food truck and accidentally click their ad instead of first result many times when ordering lunch, when I'm trying to not cost them by going through Google's "protection."

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by narag »

littlecranky67 wrote: post #238
narag wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes a big difference to me. I use what you say sparingly for organizing, but once it's sorted, there are several shortcomings: limited horizontal space, the fixed presentation (it would be nice to add notes or images, change sizes, etc.) and in general the fact that it's an internal format that I can't manipulate. To summarize: I don't want just a way to launch the bookmarked pages, but to create a page based on…

Okay I get your usecase, but adding images and notes to bookmarks seems to be a very rare/custom/fringe feature request (not even Opera had this), so I wouldn't see firefox or chrome here neglecting their users. Sounds like something for an external tool or extension.

Actually the only thing I want is "bookmark folder as HTML list" to clipboard, to file or similar.

I didn't say anything about neglect, this is no trial :)

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by ymolodtsov »

Browsers generally are pretty bad and have only seen minimal evolution in terms of UI/UX. There are interesting experiments running now, like the Arc Browser, but conventional ones are pretty stuck. Tab groups in Safari/Chrome were the biggest thing we got in recent years.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by timvisee »

mg wrote: post #28

I don't know about Chrome, but in Firefox: Chrome now hides the bookmark bar by default Not sure if it is the default, but my Firefox bookmark bar is always visible load common favorite news sites & blogs or load a window with all my productivity SaaS sites. Shift+Click on a bookmark folder does that pick up where i left off on a research rabbit hole Right-Click on one of the open tabs, click "select all tabs", right…

Yes!

And useful stuff like `*` in the address bar to search just bookmarks.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by Jaruzel »

gitgud wrote: post #252
Jaruzel wrote: post #134

I run a remote 'home page' that lets me add/remove links via a web-form (it's written in PHP). I have this home page set on all my machines/browsers. That was I'm in total control of my 'bookmarks', and their are not trapped on a particular machine or inside a proprietary sync system.

Is it protected in any way or publicly accessible? Always wondering how people handle this

It's secured behind a cookie based login.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by hk__2 »

cma wrote: post #253
hk__2 wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> $0.02 per click is not cheap for your own name, and this protection is more like protection in the mafia sense of the term. This is something you have to pay only if someone else is bidding on your own brand. Otherwise you’re already the first result and you don’t need any ad. This occurs only if you’re already a big player, and so $0.02 is nothing for you compared to what your competitors are spending. There’s not…

For Ford, $0.02 per click is millions, which is all I said. > This occurs only if you’re already a big I see this for a tiny local food truck and accidentally click their ad instead of first result many times when ordering lunch, when I'm trying to not cost them by going through Google's "protection."

> For Ford, $0.02 per click is millions, which is all I said.

Yes, and that’s peanuts compared to the money they make from these clicks.

> I see this for a tiny local food truck and accidentally click their ad instead of first result many times when ordering lunch, when I'm trying to not cost them by going through Google's "protection."

I don’t see what’s wrong in having to pay to get back the first place when someone else is already giving money to overcome you.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by corobo »

redhedgehog12 wrote: post #213
corobo wrote: post #211

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Where did you get this information? I can't find anything about ads on the internet without 300 copy paste articles popping up about 10 great ways to write ad copy so couldn't just google it. Temporarily intrigued, don't go too far out of your way for my curiosity.

I've put some links below that might explain it a bit better than I did. My info above is a mix of from google's docs as well as experience, talking to others in the industry etc. Ad Rank[0] - this is the algorithm that determines essentially how much you pay like I mentioned. It's far more complex than my simplified explanation as it also takes into account context around the user. The device they're on, their previ…

Appreciated, thank you!

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Post by thereseadoremos »

jamespetercook wrote: post #88
Curzel wrote: post #68

I swear I don't understand of some people seems to be using browsers... Let me know if the following sound weird to you, this is what I usually do... I have 3 browser windows: - Chrome window with personal Google Account and 2-5 tabs - Chrome window with company Google Account and 2-5 tabs - A third browser window as a media player ( https://github.com/curzel-it/pipper ) Bookmark bar is set to always visible, and I h…

This sounds a lot like how I work too. If I have to open a bunch of tabs it’s usually temporary and I’ll want to get rid of them again at the earliest opportunity.

same here! it doesn't sit well with me when there are a bunch of tabs open. if I haven't categorized it in my tab groups it's something not of importance and i have to clear them all within the day
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