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Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If that is what is supposed to happen, then it makes no sense for any new code to run on the device! The new code calculates the hash as part of the upload process. The comparison of the hash against known CP hashes happen on the server. > Well, it is not crazy to get worked up over Apple saying they will check uploads to iCloud by checking what's on your phone - instead of simply adding code to iCloud. They're sti…

You simply repeated back to me what I wrote without addressing any of it.

Okay, well they're likely doing it to save money. I work in data engineering and I can tell you calculating the hash of every iCloud upload wouldn't come cheap.

Mystery solved?

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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To be honest... None. It's a choice. You might wholly disagree, but recent events aren't enough to get me to switch yet, because I think the competition has too many tradeoffs. I can get my photos scanned against a CSAM database... or I can have Google tracking my location constantly regardless of what they say (as they've been proven to be misleading in the past)... or I can use a Linux phone and say goodbye to batt…

Same here.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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post #29

This seems like an over-reaction. I'm highly opposed to Apple's CSAM move but they are still much better and transparent than Google, Amazon, and most other services. Many of these already do something like this but they just don't actively tell you or document it. Also, and please correct me if I am mistaken, Apple's CSAM is limited to iCloud for Photos. It does not just work against your local photos. CSAM Detectio…

For me, it was well thought-out. Apple betrayed my trust as a consumer and the response in the past week was plain gaslighting. I thought about it for a couple of days and then decided that I don't want to support a company like that anymore. (edit)I was planning to buy a new MBP/iPhone/Watch in Q4, so this made it easier to decide on those purchases earlier.(/edit) It's correct that the CSAM scanning is currently on…

Even if we were to call this a "backdoor", it's a backdoor that creaks quite loudly. I mean, what's the attack vector here? The plan, as far as I'm aware, is to upload a list of hashes to each device that have been vetted by multiple child protection agencies. In order to surveil other things, additional hashes would need to be transferred that wouldn't be vetted by these agencies. That would be noticed, and that's the point where I would consider my trust to be betrayed.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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I'll buy a Fairphone with pretty high probability next time. No more iPhones. On desktop I was always a Windows user, but recently switched to PopOS. I try to use open source software where possible and after the endless stream of depressing news about working conditions and environmental impact of our juicy tech I'm ready to pay more for less to get (relatively) fair and open hardware too. Edit: Considering Linux ph…

In pursuit of an acceptable phone, I've eyed the Fairphone with its laudable stance on repairability in the name of eco-friendliness as well. Problem is it comes with Google's spyware (Android), a much bigger threat on privacy than anything Apple does. The solution seems to be to buy eSolutions Fairphone with de-Googled Android.

I can live without free GPS navi but I'm wondering what to do about the few cases where you need a "trusted" device (a misnomer if there ever was one), such as banking push TANs or other mobile banking TFA apps, TOTP apps, vaccination pass apps or Covid contact tracing/registration apps (I've managed to evade the latter kind of apps until now).

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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I've got a Pixel and a Dell XPS 13 Dev Edition. I really only use Signal, so I don't miss iMessage/FaceTime. I don't know if I'd say it's perfect, but everything seems to "just work" for the most part. I definitely have less issues with my setup than with my fiancés MacBook Air.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Is the CSAM an issue for macOS? That would be my only concern since I do not own an iPhone. Honestly, as much as I go to extreme lengths to limit invasions of my privacy, short of going full Stallman, it would take a lot for me to chuck my M1 MacBook Air. I know people say they have a non-Apple laptop that is as good, but that has not been my experience. Every PC laptop I have owned has ended up being a pile of crap…

Yes, an issue for MacOS "These features are coming later this year in updates to iOS 15, iPadOS 15, watchOS 8, and macOS Monterey." https://www.apple.com/child-safety/

In the same article, earlier in it, they say that the scanning is just iPadOS and iOS. macOS is just getting a generic nudity detection AI model for protecting children from new content that doesn't require contacting Apple about anything.

"Next, iOS and iPadOS will use new applications of cryptography to help limit the spread of CSAM online, while designing for user privacy."

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. They're not going do much of anything. It is what happens after the final step outlined that actually concerns people, and that is where the real problem lies. Apple is simply exposing the problem; or perhaps more accurately bringing the problem we all understand exists into the limelight. Had Apple not implemented this feature, or implemented it differently (scanning server-side, for example), the problem w…

If a pedophile takes their computer (loaded with CP) to a repair shop and they find CP they call the police. If a pedophile uploads CP to the internet and the host finds CP they call the police. Both seem like reasonable responses to me.

Again, it is what happens after that which has people worried. Apple is simply bringing attention to it.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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To be honest... None. It's a choice. You might wholly disagree, but recent events aren't enough to get me to switch yet, because I think the competition has too many tradeoffs. I can get my photos scanned against a CSAM database... or I can have Google tracking my location constantly regardless of what they say (as they've been proven to be misleading in the past)... or I can use a Linux phone and say goodbye to batt…

> I think the competition has too many tradeoffs. I believe that, for example, anticorruption activists and gay people in Russia who may be subjected to state-imposed surveillance won't agree with you. Apple won't leave even the russian market in case the government demands to expand capabilities of the system. And they will never leave chinese market. > macOS doesn't scan I'm afraid I have some bad news for you: "Fe…

> Apple won't leave even the russian market in case the government demands to expand capabilities of the system. And they will never leave chinese market.

Who will? Google? Microsoft? HP? Dell? Huawei or Xiaomi or Lenovo (lol jk)? Which computer or phone manufacturers or service providers refuse to do business in Russia and China?

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post #60

I've never had a MacBook but I feel the LG Gram line of notebooks is top-notch. I have a 17" version and it's light, fast, and has a long battery life. It has a full keyboard and is easily upgradeable. I run Arch Linux with GNOME desktop. All the hardware works on Linux except the fingerprint reader .

I was looking at the lg gram 17 too but in the 2021 version they soldered both the ram slots and the wireless card, which is bad imho.

Like I cannot even find a version with 32gb of ram and if I buy the 16gb version I will never be able to upgrade it.

Re: Ask HN: What Apple alternatives are you switching to?

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I've been down this road long before CSAM, the gist is: Use FOSS when possible, minimize all other internet-connected devices when FOSS is not available. I actually still plan to continue using iPhone as a necessary evil until PinePhone, Librem, or similar are production ready (as my use cases demand). But I don't trust the device, my world doesn't revolve around the device, and that's kind of the only way to live wi…

Something is ready: https://esolutions.shop/

Seems like you have no such excuse anymore.

Also: https://store.google.com/product/pixel_5 + https://calyxos.org/

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