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Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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I have the issue that I find Reddit extremely useful to become proficient. I knew what problems my tomatoes were having the moment it started. I learned about blueberries needing something stronger than coffee.(and more) I learned what microcontrollers are popular in the enterprise world by lurking. I got some extremely useful information in a table form which was impossible to find in a Google search. I suppose I ju…

I completely and totally disagree. Reddit is of no benefit for anything you could just Google. Reddit's commenting dynamics create a false consensus around whatever the first thing that a bunch of people who Googled it can not disagree to. That's bad enough but when you start talking about subjects that have any degree of subjectiveness people's desire to have their world view confirmed abounds and it becomes even wo…

And yet... reddit is still probably better than the alternatives.

Half of what I search for nowadays has a "reddit" version tacked on the end in googles auto complete. That is, people are deliberately searching for results to questions explicitly from reddit and it's popular enough that it's surfacing in googles autocomplete.

The only other site that gets that kind of treatment is stackoverflow.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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I'm starting to despise UI patterns that discourage any sort of meaningful discourse. This includes stuff like hiding comment threads and only showing one or two comments by people you follow on LinkedIn, or features like "canned comments" ("Congratulations, John Doe!"). I don't know why websites stopped respecting their users' agency, but my pet hypothesis is that some product team is being measured on some sort of…

They either optimize for sales (of something), ads, data mining, or something more ephemeral like "discourse control" or "discussion shifting". You're seeing the latter two happening with reddit, probably other sites like tik tok.

I mean to a point these are good things, HN even has the "flame war" check where it take away the reply button for deeply nested threads.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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Yep, I think ads is just another way of saying monetization. The app has lots of annoying notifications like "You might like...", "You got 100 upvotes", etc which, when you engage with more, they make more money through ads, coins etc. Your attention, retention and engagement is a lot easier to manage and increase through an app than it is through website.

Instead of direct monetization, they probably measure by engagement. If a service has a permanent presence on your device, you get a LOT more engagement and recurring visits than a web version. Websites on mobile are one-time, visit-and-forget/move on things. I'd love to be proven wrong though; what websites see daily, recurring, long time active usage? Also not to be underestimated is that a mobile app will always h…

someone compared mobile and web (with data from study) as Web, easier to attract, difficult to retain and vice versa for mobile.

Could be the reason why web to app migration practices are followed. best of both worlds.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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That and the layout of their "new" redesign where you go to a post and it'll show the post, 2 comments (out of 500), not even the full threads of those comments either and then just some unrelated posts and you have to click on more links just to read the actual comments and you can feel your browser choke under the weight of whatever framework they use trying to render a few bits of text. Noticed Twitter switching t…

The problem is that they don’t let you pay for the service. They show that algorithmic stuff to increase engagement. Of course, if they show related content so close by, people are going to check it out more often. You can’t really argue against that. What they could do is have a paid tier. Instead of paying with engagement, you’d pay money to have the better UI. But they don’t want to provide that option at all.

>What they could do is have a paid tier

Funny you should say that, they do https://old.reddit.com/premium and an in app currency too https://old.reddit.com/coins for some reason.

You wouldn't have noticed any of this if you're an old.reddit holdout though.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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Android support for browser notifications landed in Chrome mobile about five years ago. (And yes, that included support for Android versions that were old even then.) iOS still has no support, and nothing even on the horizon, as far as I know. Apple is intentionally holding back the open web. I find this infuriating.

I will somewhat reluctantly support Apple on this. There are no web sites that I want to allow interrupting my work/writing flow with notifications. Also, the new awesome privacy settings in Safari on the beta iOS and beta iPadOS and beta macOS Bug Sur are very much appreciated, at least by me.

I'm personally not a fan of notification spam either, but I would assume that notifications via mobile browsers would be opt-in. Is that a bad assumption?

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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Yeah ads. If you're on iOS check out Apollo, made by a solo developer and does not display ads. I'm not sure what the equivalent on Android would be (someone chime in if you know).

I worry the day is coming for a Twitter-esque app purge if too many people are avoiding their ads and engagement mechanisms with third party apps.

Maybe I should root for it, for all the time I'd get back not using Reddit though.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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Interestingly parent’s plug is a dark pattern to avoid dark patterns! It’s also surprising that even on HN, a place where many people write software for a living, people are avoidant of advertising paid features.

> Interestingly parent’s plug is a dark pattern to avoid dark patterns! Sorry I didn't find any dark patterns here. If you can elaborate more on this, that would be really helpful. > It’s also surprising that even on HN, a place where many people write software for a living, people are avoidant of advertising paid features. Exactly! A lot of users want privacy focused - no ads apps. But many of them are hesitant to p…

> Sorry I didn't find any dark patterns here. If you can elaborate more on this, that would be really helpful.

I don't think you were being malicious, but it would of been useful to know up front that those RSS features cost money is all. Otherwise I see nothing wrong in your initial comment.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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It’s interesting to compare Quora and Stack Overflow. They both are about questions and answers, and they both set out to use interaction design and aggressive curation to create a high-quality Q&A resource. But despite having similar goals and a willingness to experiment with behavioural patterns, they ended up with incredibly different experiences.

I used to really enjoy reading responses on Quora, but at some point, it seems to have devolved into pretty low quality spam and self-promotion.

Same here — in the early days, I’d spend hours each week on it. There felt like a turning point, around 2018, when it just sadly became “too mainstream”, for want of a better phrase.

Re: Ask HN: Why is Reddit on mobile so obsessed with making me use their app?

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post #192

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> Interestingly parent’s plug is a dark pattern to avoid dark patterns! Sorry I didn't find any dark patterns here. If you can elaborate more on this, that would be really helpful. > It’s also surprising that even on HN, a place where many people write software for a living, people are avoidant of advertising paid features. Exactly! A lot of users want privacy focused - no ads apps. But many of them are hesitant to p…

> Sorry I didn't find any dark patterns here. If you can elaborate more on this, that would be really helpful. I don't think you were being malicious, but it would of been useful to know up front that those RSS features cost money is all. Otherwise I see nothing wrong in your initial comment.

Yes I agree, could've been clearer upfront about it being a premium feature. Thanks!
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