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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by croemer »

hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #212
croemer wrote: post #34

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Beware if you want to use Hetzner's s3, they had a massive repeated outage over the past few days and don't offer any reliability guarantee, not even something like 99.9%. Maybe you're thinking of something else, or don't care if you can't upload/download for a few hours here and there - just wanted to warn as I was surprised by this as a user.

Wait, so is it available now? They had it in free beta for some selected customers, I had no idea it's available already!

Yes I think it's been fully public out of beta for around 4 months IIRC

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by dopidopHN »

827a wrote: post #194
dopidopHN wrote: post #83

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iPhone is a bad example. It’s built by 10s of company accros many, mostly Asian, country.

Most stuff is. Even some people and companies in Europe had a hand in building it; at the very least I'm sure Apple has software teams there, and ASML is dutch. We're a deeply interconnected world. Few parts of it can be self-sufficient while retaining the standard of living they're used to. This is true for no region more than Europe. Europe, broadly, relies more on the productivity, output, energy, and innovation o…

Most stuff are indeed

I agree with your response.

For the sake of the conversation I wish europe would have more industrial success story like Airbus or Ariane. And now it seems clear than the French doctrine on weapon production and energy is more valid than the English or German one.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

827a wrote: post #225
abenga wrote: post #214

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> The biggest concern is, I guess, that we've banned trans men from womens sports and removed the X option from gender forms? Really? The biggest concern? Not wantonly cutting long-running programs (even international commitments) with no regard to consequences, just to see what happens?

Well, that's the thing; I don't know what peoples' concerns are. I hear a lot of complaints about vague generalities (like what you just said) and ominous future-fear about a dictatorship, but I struggle to connect any of those concerns back to specific orders. Much of them just sound like an expression of a generalized anxiety disorder tbh. I think the spending cuts are generally justified under something akin to "w…

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Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by CamperBob2 »

kcb wrote: post #149
lompad wrote: post #16

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That's already expected. Right now, preparations are made for nuclear (re-)armament of europe. Germany in particular is working towards that at this moment [EDIT: politically. not in the "actively preparing weapons"-phase.]. Also, france has a first-strike policy. So even without US troops, europe will be fine. A sizable part of the population has wanted the US out of especially germany for a looong time now, so thos…

I don't know, I think lately there's a massive flaw in first-strike and MAD policies. Does it ever really make sense to destroy the world and yourself because an ally(Baltic states for example) or even your own state is being invaded? It's certainly not going to improve your situation even if the alternative is invasion by a foreign power. A powerful conventional army capable of proportional response is the only real…

Does it ever really make sense to destroy the world and yourself because an ally(Baltic states for example) or even your own state is being invaded?

Certainly something for the invader to think about, isn't it.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by Revanche1367 »

Majority of Americans do not care, unlike what always online political social media wants you to believe. It’s not really a big concern for us what is going on in Europe and frankly I prefer that the US does not meddle in foreign affairs, there’s been far too much of that in recent decades especially. So soft power can not exist for all many of us care.

Also, look at social media like reddit even outside of politics, Europeans constantly laugh at Americans for bringing up European heritage but when Europe is in trouble, it’s all “think of Europe!!!” Why? America is in its own safe bubble, Russia is not really a threat to us and personally I’m not even of European heritage so telling me to care so much more about Europe unlike Asia or Africa just falls on deaf ears. I get along with Russians just as much as I get along with the English or French, and this is true for many of us, we’re a country of immigrants but much of that isn’t European in origin and even those of European origin aren’t necessarily thinking of Europe in any regard except as a potential vacation destination.

The EU simply isn’t that important to many of us.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by ImPostingOnHN »

ctrlp wrote: post #217
ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #211

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In my experience, the Financial Times aren't terribly biased one way or the other, and do a good job of presenting the relevant facts and views. If you have similarly significant, unbiased sources presenting some contrary view, it would behoove you to share them, rather than chiding. If you just want to share your personal views, that is also welcome. The tone-policing and attacking reliable, unbiased sources is pret…

I honestly believe the only way to get at "unbiased" sources is to triangulate all the bias. Mainstream publications are largely staffed by paid propagandists. To get at my opinion, you would need to hold all the propaganda in your mind at once, consider "qui bono?", and then find the point of common sense that all these positions are talking around. I would also avoid contemporary professional opinionators except as…

When I said,

> If you just want to share your personal views, that is also welcome

I meant your personal views on the topic (how Europeans view America lately), rather than your personal views on media bias.

Not that you can't share those, too, but it doesn't add to the discussion about how Europeans view America lately, and to be honest, the talking points I saw were pretty tired.

> I honestly believe the only way to get at "unbiased" sources is to triangulate all the bias

If you indeed believe that, and you have any sources with a reliability and bias level equal to FT (whatever you feel that may be) which you think are necessary to "triangulate all the bias" on this topic, please go ahead and share them.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by dopidopHN »

Redori wrote: post #229
madspindel wrote: post #50

I've sold all my holdings in US companies to instead invest in STOXX Europe 600 alternatives. I know others here in Sweden that have said they have done the same. In Sweden, Russia has always been the enemy. My prediction is that France and Germany will soon join the Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) and it will be the end of NATO. UK will probably join the Maximator intelligence alliance. The death of Five Eyes and NA…

Enjoy underperforming the markets

You mean… less financial market performance ? That’s the downside/response to an alliance with Russia?

Whaou.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by weddpros »

whynotminot wrote: post #120
antirez wrote: post #97

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LLMs are something everybody can reproduce with enough money, as shown by Musk itself recently: in one year they have Grok3 which is a SOTA model, without having particular talents or innovations, just following the recipe everybody else is using (and this is why you see new companies competing with established companies: all are training transformers with a lot of tokens, basically). So Europe can have their LLMs as…

> So Europe can have their LLMs as well: the important thing is to relax this stupid AI act But you're kind of showing here why Europe doesn't have the software innovation America does. Americans are not inherently smarter or more capable of doing innovative things than Europeans. It's just that whenever a European wants to do something interesting, there's a handy European regulation making it harder or less profita…

It's more likely that Europe will double down on its politics as they always do. If it doesn't work, try harder with more of it: more rules, more laws, more exceptions to rules, more special cases, more Switch and If/Then/Else.

Think technical debt with 0 refactoring ever, because you can't break the existing system, only grow it.

A refactoring, that's how I see what the government is currently doing in the USA.

(I'm French, living in Asia)

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by toss1 »

weddpros wrote: post #248
whynotminot wrote: post #120

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> So Europe can have their LLMs as well: the important thing is to relax this stupid AI act But you're kind of showing here why Europe doesn't have the software innovation America does. Americans are not inherently smarter or more capable of doing innovative things than Europeans. It's just that whenever a European wants to do something interesting, there's a handy European regulation making it harder or less profita…

It's more likely that Europe will double down on its politics as they always do. If it doesn't work, try harder with more of it: more rules, more laws, more exceptions to rules, more special cases, more Switch and If/Then/Else. Think technical debt with 0 refactoring ever, because you can't break the existing system, only grow it. A refactoring, that's how I see what the government is currently doing in the USA. (I'm…

The problem is, the refactoring being done is optimizing for 1) destroying the capability of any agency that was potentially impeding Musk's companies e.g., by investigating illegal activities, 2) implementing cultural war measures to distract the populace, and 3) decapitating and threatening institutions that are normally independent in democracies to serve the executive, as in fascism

Not exactly a healthy refactoring, and it'll take decades to undo the damage if ever possible.

Re: Ask HN: Do US tech firms realize the backlash growing in Europe?

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Post by Redori »

dopidopHN wrote: post #247
Redori wrote: post #229

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Enjoy underperforming the markets

You mean… less financial market performance ? That’s the downside/response to an alliance with Russia? Whaou.

I meant for selling US companies to invest in European stocks
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