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Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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My very concrete feelings on this is that you probably don't. Asking folks how to do this is a bit like asking billionaires how to get rich. It's a fun story but it's overfitting. The individual narrative that made a billionaire is unlikely to be available for you. If you ask some millionaires they may be more likely to give you some useful advice around sound investment strategies, living within your means, and iden…

Agreed 100%. When people ask me what the best time is to work on a startup, it's always when you have no dependents, living with parents, and perhaps no significant other. It's quite amazing just how much you can skim down your expenses at that point in life. Minimizing expenses, maximizing runway. The rest is luck. Just blind luck.

> Minimizing expenses, maximizing runway.

If you're in the US, and not living with your parents (and or don't want to do that), one of the best ways to do it is to live in a university town. They're wired for fast Internet, the cost of living (including rent) is often very reasonable, they're among the safest areas in the US on average, and you can work at mundane jobs to pay your bills (30-36 hours per week; telemetry tech at a hospital; cashier or lead in retail making $15-$20/hr; etc). In the typical university town you can rent for $650-$1000 for a 1 or 2 bed + 1 bath apartment in a safe area. Working for a hospital you'll also usually get solid health insurance. The jobs are not difficult, they're relatively easy to get, although they will grind on you when combined with doing a startup (it's part of the trade you're making). Also in these types of jobs you won't have much if anything to worry about regarding intellectual property issues, conflicts of interest, et al.

Source: have done this, it works quite well. It can be exhausting working 80-100 hours per week obviously. The income/job becomes a permanent stream of venture capital, you can just endlessly fund your own way and keep 100% of the pie. I've often chosen to not do tech contracting work while working on a startup and self-funding with outside income, because I don't like the potential IP risks/conflicts and the burnout factor of always working on software/services/sites/whatever.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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I think this will be an unpopular opinion to some; but I have a pretty firm belief that when you do the family thing and decide to have kids and the like; you’d better have established, or at least started / somewhat put in motion your goals as an individual.

As soon as you’ve crossed that line and had said kid, you have just made a conscious choice to significantly reduced your own time, finances; and flexibility available to chase after personal goals.

Before anyone immediately @‘s me; this is not always the case…but usually the people who can do both are 1) the exception to the rule, not the average; and/or 2) were relatively wealthy. maybe you can afford a caretaker for your child.

But that begs the question - so you had said kid, and want to give said kid the best life they can. Cool. We need people.

Probably adopting is the more sensible option; since there are tons of kids in awful, hopeless situations that can use your help, and we also have an overpopulation issue; but honestly, some people just want to have the experience of having kids. Okay, cool.

So…Does starting your own business right now, rather than investing into your kid’s development, really make sense?

By having a kid; did you not agree to set aside a lot of your personal time and finances to them?

Shouldn’t you do this sort of thing before you have a kid or after they move out? What if it takes off and your kid loses a parent being present because the career took over? :/

Asking from the perspective of a 33-year-old woman who sees having kids in your early 30’s; or, God forbid, your 20’s, as suicide of independence.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively, maybe your dad owns an emerald mine? Always an option!

Elon founded two companies Zip2 and X.com which merged with PayPal, was mega rich and didn’t need to work ever again on his own efforts, before even doing SpaceX and his other ventures

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Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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My very concrete feelings on this is that you probably don't. Asking folks how to do this is a bit like asking billionaires how to get rich. It's a fun story but it's overfitting. The individual narrative that made a billionaire is unlikely to be available for you. If you ask some millionaires they may be more likely to give you some useful advice around sound investment strategies, living within your means, and iden…

> Then do an awesome startup when your kids are out of the house, you have a solid nest egg, and you can take risks again in your 50s. Then figure you have 10-20 active years left, and do you really want to spend 5-10 of them on a startup?

As someone close to 50 in this boat it a great question.

The fact is I wanted to build a startup to get rich. That's it really. Now that I am much more finically secure (but not rich by a long shot) I'm not sure I will want to roll the dice or just keep my job as an IC.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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Yeah, here's how to do it.

1. Set a monthly ad budget for your startup.

2. Run ads for your start up.

3. Change the credit card code so it puts a hold on their credit card and removes it. (You want to make sure your customers can actually afford your product)

4. Once the user signs up direct them to a page saying due to overwhelming demand you can't provide the service yet and let them know that their credit card has not been charged.

5. Once your startup is earning more than its ad budget, hire a developer to make it.

6. If you don't like this part of the business, absolutely do not start a startup.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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post #6

My very concrete feelings on this is that you probably don't. Asking folks how to do this is a bit like asking billionaires how to get rich. It's a fun story but it's overfitting. The individual narrative that made a billionaire is unlikely to be available for you. If you ask some millionaires they may be more likely to give you some useful advice around sound investment strategies, living within your means, and iden…

Agreed 100%. When people ask me what the best time is to work on a startup, it's always when you have no dependents, living with parents, and perhaps no significant other. It's quite amazing just how much you can skim down your expenses at that point in life. Minimizing expenses, maximizing runway. The rest is luck. Just blind luck.

This is “obvious” advice but also statistically a huge number of startups are founded by older people with families, houses, etc.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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Being older has its advantages. You have a lot more "common" sense, but not all older people do, some have kept emotional debt, trauma, various things that can hold them up from getting product market fit, leading teams and organizations, dealing with having a lot or not a lot of money, etc. If I recall, uncited, from my evening, later-in-life MBA program, the more successful startup founders/cofounders/etc are all in their late 30's and 40's. Weeds out the kids, you're serious. Staring at a seed round of VC's with life partners, spouses, kids, whatever you have in life that you're trying to maintain and help support, those are good things. VC that want to weed you out are definitely not worth it.

Leaving work to pursue a startup should only happen when you can prove well enough to VC's you're accreting revenues just barely worth investing in (to very worth investing in). If you're sane, I would wait until you can't move forward without some seed/VC and then look around for it- starting with people you know, and familiarize yourself with how funding/ownership/etc works.

You don't need to go through ycombinator, although its very worthwhile, you can just run a startup on the side or quit your job once its up and running.

If your startup is a unicorn, maybe wait a year before quitting your job, so the job market is ripping again when you fail :)

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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> So the question is: how do I continue my current standard of living for my family while working on a startup?

You don't.

Your kids are young for but a blink of an eye. Don't miss out on that.

When they're out of the house, _then_ start.

Disclaimer: I believe I was the only YC founder in my batch (s2010) who was married with kids.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#250
My own advice as a 41 year old w/ two young kids who co-founded a SaaS biz at 36 while working a full-time job and didn't sacrifice income (but certainly quality of life). Your milage may vary.

- Don't start a company to start a company. You will be miserable. Find a space you like and start to explore it for fun (at first).

- DO NOT quit your day job. Nights and weekends to start. Have your partner pick up more kid/life duty if they is can. Quit when it hurts or when the path of your business lowers the risk sufficiently.

- Focus relentlessly on business model fit and real customer problems. B2B is fertile territory. Niche ignored industries with high painkiller need (vs vitamin) are fertile territory.

- Work with a team. Work with a team with no kids. Probably the most important part. :)

- Treat the work time a normal part of your life (like going camping or exercising)

- Ignore all hustle porn start-up mythology nonsense. Build the business around how you want to work that still achieves your goals.

- Its never easy, but its not impossible.

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