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At first I went down to 32 hours at my old job, but then got an oppurtunity at another company and this was my demand. Sure, I make less money but I definitely got enough to get by and then some.
It fits well with my current project since we have a few other people working as consultants for a few days each week (They have other projects as well).
Based on the law here, the employer could have denied the 80% but I could have asked 6m totally off and they couldn't have said no. Anyway, they accepted the 80%. This lasted for 20months. I then asked to have another one for my second kid, as no issue arose during the first one and I was productive, it was granted.
Finally, I negotiated to remain at 80% permanently.
I dropped down to a 4 day week so that I could look after my son one day a week. The negotiations were pretty simple, I just told my boss that due to our circumstances I needed to drop down to 4 days, and his reaction was basically I’d rather have you working for 4 days than to see you have to quit ( I never even mentioned quitting, but I guess I put it in a way that my circumstances didn’t give me much wriggle room)…
Did your boss or company drop your salary?
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Society doesn't require many people to work to sustain itself (we have the recent example of the pandemic). If we could enjoy for a while what we have built until this current moment, without inventing or creating anything new, how much time will it take for society to collapse? Animals live a life of leisure without much work, and they don't have the infrastructure that we as humans have. They don't collapse. How mu…
> Animals live a life of leisure without much work, and they don't have the infrastructure that we as humans have. They don't collapse. ^ This claim doesn't really sound like it has a lot of evidence to back it up. As i see this problem I can break it down in 2 parts: - systems (including animals & humans) evolve or decline - our species doesn't have a central decision system So, as I see it, animals live a life of c…
This is not necessarily true. We could maintain systems without evolution or decline. For example, I don't think that cloth manufacturing has evolved much since the 70s. Shops have new ways to sell (via the internet), but we as a society could wear clothes from the 70s and have the same quality of life (in terms of clothing) as people back then. Think about how much unnecessary work and waste have we created by consuming clothes every year. How much damage could be avoided by not manufacturing more clothes?
> So, as I see it, animals live a life of constant pressure where the strong survive and the weak are culled out
Animals have the pressure to eat. They hunt, they consume what they need, and they rest until they are hungry again. They aren't constantly accumulating food or killing other species. That's the difference between animals and humans. The fisherman goes fishing every single day from 9 to 5, no matter if society is hungry or not.
We first started a few years ago with a "no meetings" friday rule, which was very successful. We expanded to the 9:80 program two years ago and it has also been successful.
Fairly common among contractors. You just negotiate how many days you want to work on that client. Plenty of coworkers from Italy do it to avoid paying higher taxes: they increase their hourly rate until they hit the 65k pa limit and then they just start dropping days. If they were to earn even 66k, they would start paying way more taxes and they would need to earn ~30k more to get the same salary after taxes.
It sounds like you're saying their total after-tax income would decrease if they worked more hours? I'm not sure how, because that's definitely not how income tax works (Italian or otherwise).
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Dutch here. Haven't worked more than 32 hours a week in 20 years. I did downgrade to 24 a week for a while, convinced my boss I wanted to do a masters and he let me. Salary was just enough to pay for everything. Its mostly normal to work 32 hours in my country. I feel 32 should be the norm actually. In my line of work - software development, 32, 36 and 40 hours are all very common. Less than 32 is really uncommon tho…
> Dutch > mostly normal to work 32 hour It is absolutely not if you work in the tech sector. The expectation is full-time and this is 40 hours at most companies.
Maybe its different for people in leadership positions, or embedded development or some other domain I am not so familiar with?
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Absolutely not. I would live in a beach house, and I would indeed spend many hours laying in the sand, swimming in the ocean, etc. But I wouldn't literally spend the entire rest of my life doing nothing else at all. There would be socializing with friends and family, traveling, and taking care of my affairs. I would also spend plenty of time on hobbies of all sorts. The key is that I would be living a life of complet…
> The key is that I would be living a life of complete and total leisure. Wake up whenever I want. Sleep whenever I want. Eat whenever I want. And each day, each moment, I would do whatever in particular I happened to feel like doing. I ended up in essentially this state for several years. It was about as blissful as you would imagine. The problem is, what got me in to that state was an intense drive (among other thi…
I just recently started a 32 hour a week salaried job. Here’s my story. I was at a very good job. My ultimate goal is to just go to the beach and not work at all. I realized that’s too big of a leap, so I set a shorter term more realistic goal of working 4 days a week. My employer at the time rejected the idea, so instead of ignoring recruiters like usual, I answered them. If a job wasn’t immoral, the interview proce…
Context: I do recruiting as a team lead. I am happy you found what you were looking for. But from my pov, if you want to work less than fulltime and thats a non negotiable thing for you, please be open up front with the people who interview you. Typically when a full time position is offered, the workload of a full person is needed (lets not discuss if 8h of work a day results in better or more output than less hours…
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So this life of total leisure is the thing we all want, and it is for that reason the capitalist system seems to work. Someone has to provide the labor that allows you to continue in a life of leisure.
Society doesn't require many people to work to sustain itself (we have the recent example of the pandemic). If we could enjoy for a while what we have built until this current moment, without inventing or creating anything new, how much time will it take for society to collapse? Animals live a life of leisure without much work, and they don't have the infrastructure that we as humans have. They don't collapse. How mu…
And this totally doable, and I think a lot of people could live in leisure for quite a while.
At some point though unless we live much more nomadically and never storing up for the future, we will need to make sacrifices in life again for some higher goal, to those who come after us in order to once again have the fat of the land.
This is just the way of life though.