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Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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It's an age thing - the dreams you had when you were younger didn't turn into reality - dreams usually don't. Or at least, not as you expect it. Tech is still really cool, compared to decades ago. But we have so much of it and it is everywhere, that we re-calibrate and think that all this amazing, cool tech is boring. You can get a 3D printer for a few hundred bucks, build it yourself, build a better 3d printer, get…

I'm still mad that we don't have flying cars ala "The Jetsons". But then again, I think "auto" accidents would become horrifically worse if we did, so there's that.

I watched news reports of the moon landing in 1969 as a kid. I played with tech throughout my youth ... converting a small, unused closet next to our garage as an electronics lab. I started with breadboarding (and occasionally, wirewrapping) 555 oscillators, and 741 op amps into weird circuits I'd read about.

About 50+ years later, I still build my own machines, albeit at the subsystem level versus the power supply and chip level. I am looking forward to working on automating image capture/processing for a telescope I bought last year.

I don't have a flying car (thank a deity), but I have an 8 inch telescope with automatic location and calibration. And a helluva lotta processing power, storage, and networking to do things with the images. I'm not saying I will run a 10/40 GbE optical fibre out to the deck where the telescope will sit ... but I'm not saying I won't. And yes, its nice to have 40GbE networking in my house (basement).

I've always viewed tech as a means to an end. I'm a scientist by training, a technologist and software person by choice. I've been an entrepreneur and many other things in my life. I see the tech as a way to do science more quickly, more accurately, and I really enjoy that it is an enabling function.

I got my start in HPC and supercomputing precisely because my simulations were taking too long on the workstations of the late 80s and early 90s. I stayed in HPC to build better/faster/stronger supers, and take advantage of the technological waves. Simulations that used to take a powerful (for the early 90s) supercomputer several hours, now take about a minute, on my laptop. Which has more processors, memory, and storage than the old super.

I think of technology as a wavefront that enables one to do more, better, and faster in its wake. Some people love the building of the tech, and designing new tech. Some like the applications. If you are bored with the building of tech, think of the applications that you could try, to help improve something real.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that it's partly an age thing, but I also agree that the times have been more exciting in the past technology-wise. I grew up as a eighties tech geek kid. I learned BASIC on a SHARP programmable calculator ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_PC-1403 ), then moved on to an Atari 800, then to an Amiga, and finally to a PC. Each of these machines was orders of magnitude more capable than the previous one - you…

Are you crazy? I'm from '79, so probably a bit younger than you. We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone. Even with a small camera or some sensors if you want. Or create some small robots with all the motors and sensors that you want, custom 3d printed. My son is now 13 and doing STEM. I only wish I had access to all the things that they can now do for cheap, especial…

> We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone.

I'm pretty sure you could do this 20 years ago, there just hadn't been that wave of marketing around microcontrollers as a hobby that happened around the time of Make magazine. $2 for a PIC and $45 for a programmer, maybe? Waiting excitedly for the next issue of Nuts & Volts? Idly flipping through the Jameco and Small Parts catalogs? Toolboxes filled with TTL?

The internet is certainly an advantage, but it also ain't too new.

edit: randomly posting the Small Parts catalog so we can reflect on and celebrate what was lost https://web.archive.org/web/20160323004150/http://www.smallp...

NO MINIMUM ORDER

Also, a shout out to American Science & Surplus, off to the suburbs after 84 years.

https://blockclubchicago.org/2021/10/13/american-science-sur...

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Everything becomes less cool once you know it.

Since you mentioned Star Trek, I've been a lifelong enthusiast of Trek. The new stuff (junk) notwithstanding, I'm totally over Star Trek. I've seen every episode who knows how many times. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt.

Tech is no different, or at least specialized facets of tech are no different.

This is exactly why I have recently pivoted from web development to working on a hardware project and using C++. It provides that same excitement I had back when I was first learning to code. Though right now it's just my own thing, I'm solving a tangible problem and get to learn things like writing native code, designing circuit boards, working with a microcontroller, using OpenSCAD, and so forth. Even if it goes no further than a toy prototype, it's been a lot of (albeit expensive) fun. Just the moment of receiving a shipment of PCBs that I designed, that were now manufactured at a factory, that actually worked upon assembly, was an exquisite feeling.

Tech is many things. I think if anyone is bored and there's nothing like family obligations holding them back, they should consider branching out into something else that might satisfy that itch. If you've just stuck to things like JavaScript and Ruby, don't think that you can't do something like program microcontrollers with C++.

On the other hand, I really do think that the concept of "web scale" has made the field far less fun. We all love to scoff at buzzwords, yet we are the greatest purveyors of buzzwords and cargo-culting technology.

Kubernetes or GTFO. Rust or GTFO. Who uses Wepback anymore, bruh? I think my grandpa used AngularJS. Aren't SPAs a thing from like 2006? There's no way a Rails app can scale, bruh. Do you even BDD, bruh? Who seriously doesn't use Typescript nowadays? Every successful startup uses blockchain now with AI. Microservices are pointless without microfrontends. You mean you're not even using LiveView?

/s

It's like we no longer believe that you can just write something however you want and then do the work to scale them up if the time ever comes. Everything needs to be shiny new cool-tech out of the gate and compete with as much traffic as The Google.

Yeah, it was always kind of that way, but I think it's a lot worse than when I first got into the field.

Oh, and there's also the possibility that it's becoming increasingly difficult to get startups off the ground without already having revenue to start with. What happened to the garage-startup? You don't really hear about those anymore. Granted, I've yet to start a startup, but my impression is that nowadays investors are playing the game so safe that Jobs and Woz might have never achieved velocity.

We need to get over ourselves a bit, which is why I think it would actually be a good thing if the tech world could see another correction. We haven't had a meaningful correction since the dotcom bubble.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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For me it was when tech no longer served me and my interests. Anything tech does for me these days is usually just a means to get me to use it so that someone else can collect data, push ads, or control me. There's rarely a product or service that doesn't have some hidden cost or give someone else power over you. Cars have internet, but track your location, can listen in on your conversations, and optional features o…

Does anyone remember what it was like growing up in the 90's when people would pay $100/month for television that was 33% ads? Life was miserable before most of us had Internet access. I think there's simply no comparison. Also does anyone remember what it was like back then trying to sell software? I remember back in 2003 whenever I wrote a piece of software, for every guy who paid me $20 via paypal for it, there'd…

convenience is not all there is to satisfaction....I feel that you are comparing convenience vs satisfaction.

people are not satisfied. they are convenienced.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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I think this is not an age thing. Tech really did become less cool and the dangers more apparent. For an example from my own life, VR is amazing and every bit as exciting as my first discovery of tech when I was a kid. AI is still making incredibly interesting steps forward. Much of the rest of the industry has calcified. That does not make the colossus of what we have built over the past 80 year less incredible, it's just old news and there is not much novelty to keep up on. Society as a whole has sensed this and has largely moved on from geek is chic.

The drought is going to to be over when a new fundamental shift in platform occurs which will kick off a new generation of startups, frameworks, applications, wonders and terrors.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you crazy? I'm from '79, so probably a bit younger than you. We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone. Even with a small camera or some sensors if you want. Or create some small robots with all the motors and sensors that you want, custom 3d printed. My son is now 13 and doing STEM. I only wish I had access to all the things that they can now do for cheap, especial…

> We can now buy an Arduino board for the price of a computer game, and make a flying drone. I'm pretty sure you could do this 20 years ago, there just hadn't been that wave of marketing around microcontrollers as a hobby that happened around the time of Make magazine. $2 for a PIC and $45 for a programmer, maybe? Waiting excitedly for the next issue of Nuts & Volts? Idly flipping through the Jameco and Small Parts c…

No? Not even remotely. Even besides buying the parts (which were more expensive and, literally, exponentially less capable), the knowhow and training needed wasn't something you could find on the Internet. Drones didn't exist then, that was a fantasy in 2002. The Internet of 2002 was far, far different from what we have now.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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you probably need to open your eyes more. Most software has been database CRUD for a long time. However there are always interesting things going on 1) robotics are amazing right now 2) self driving cars 3) satellite systems, like starlink 4) drones and drone meshes 5) artificial limbs/prosthetics, including eyes, ears, spinal stimulation etc. 6) genetics and genetic analysis, protein folding, etc. 7) DIY - 3D printi…

Add CRISPR to it.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Every technology that was once revolutionary and exciting, eventually becomes mainstream and standard. The first cars and planes were cobbled together by some geeks in their garage, but now it's a pretty boring industry. Every new technology goes through that same pattern, but if there's one technology that has the potential to keep itself constantly renewing, it's software. Because it's much more flexible than hardware. The trick is finding the new revolutionary ideas to keep it exciting, and that's not what most of the Big Tech companies are doing; they figured out what makes money for them, and that's advertising. But there's probably a lot more that we can do with this tech, we just haven't figured it out yet. But figuring that out is definitely getting harder; all the low-hanging fruit has already been taken care of.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Are you kidding me? Now is like the most exciting time in tech. 1. You have Dall-E coming out that can draw pictures based on description. Just imagine a AI generated story then followed by AI generated pictures based off of the story aka AI generated movie. 2. You also got Co-pilot by Github with possibility of reducing bug in code and speeding up develop time. 3. AlphaFold for drug development.

Personally, I like where tech is headed. Hope I can be on the frontier of some of these new tech.

Re: Ask HN: When did tech stop being cool?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

All of those games you've mentioned are at least 5 years old now, many coming up to a decade old if you count their early access. There was a golden age of indie gaming 5-10 years ago, but it does feel like that has passed somewhat.

Games nowadays are often updated for a long time (e.g. Factorio), so the initial launch date is less relevant. I would argue that indie games are doing really well right now, and the AAA gaming companies' reputations are in the gutter. EA, DICE, Take Two, Ubisoft, Bioware, Konami, even the once vaunted CDProjekt Red's reputations are in tatters (of course, they still sell tons of games). Gamers are tired of copy and…

>Gamers are tired of copy and paste money grabs, full of bugs on launch and overhyped to the moon.

If this was actually true, the companies you mentioned wouldn't be selling a ton of games and gambling gimmicks didn't need to get banned for companies to stop putting them in their games. In reality, successful companies are better off iterating on their existing games and systems a few times until the sales die down, then maybe release a few later for nostalgia and move on. It's much less effort, less risky, and it plays better into the expectations most people have.

This has been going on for well over a decade. It's not like people haven't had the chance to see the trends yet.

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