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Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Sure, but my intuition says they might get a few hundred dollars that way, tops. Is my intuition off by an entire order of magnitude?

Vizio, as a public company, now has to share their ad revenue data: https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/11/10/22773073/vi...

> from $10.44 to $19.89.

Yeah, I thought $3000 sounded silly, and my only mistake was that I thought it was one order of magnitude silly when in fact it was two orders of magnitude silly.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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LG C1. I have to turn it off and on with a remote, take the usual OLED precautions, and tolerate its "smart" nonsense, but the color is gorgeous and the contrast is magical.

Does autodimming work decently on C1? It's really bothering me when I try to use my CX as a monitor.

Agreed, auto-dimming is rough. I turned it off. 60% constant brightness for work, uncapped HDR mode for play.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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I have seen stories of smart TVs doing active scans for any unsecured wifi network in range, then connecting and phoning home without ever informing the user or showing anything in the menus. Is that a real thing?

Not only this, but how long until they start including a cheap modem and paying for their own cellular connectivity?

Ugh this is way worse and actually seems far more likely and easy to accomplish than the public wifi thing...

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Not that I know of, there are however 4K 'digital signage' displays which are an industrial product. They are the monitors you see in kiosks etc. Be prepared to pay a pretty penny for them however. The last time I checked a 65" digital signage display was roughly 5x the cost of a similarly sized television. Also note they may have an HDMI implementation that is 'cheap' and doesn't implement the CLEC protocols or HDCP…

>The last time I checked a 65" digital signage display was roughly 5x the cost of a similarly sized television. The question then is why would any company pay 5x for a device without smart functionality? Does that mean there's now a market for buying smart TVs, stripping out the "smart" tech, and reselling at, say, a 4x markup?

Perhaps, the signage market is generally targeted to equipment that needs to be rather durable and live in a wider temperature range. So typically they have better power supplies, steel rather than aluminum frames, and in the case of LED back lights a longer lasting LED (typically by under driving it IIRC).

That said, I think there is solid market for "monitors" which are just the display and an industry standard interface.

Sometimes you can get a "tunerless" TV which has fewer smarts.

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All TV's are dumb tv's if you only use them as an external display/monitor and don't connect them to the net. I have a dedicated computer for a media center and just use HDMI1 input on the TV. Never enter menus. Never update the OS. Never agree to anything. Never let the TV "phone home." Never set up wifi. Never connect a CAT5 to it. Set the input using the remote and forget it. Treat it as a dumb monitor. Computer i…

I have seen stories of smart TVs doing active scans for any unsecured wifi network in range, then connecting and phoning home without ever informing the user or showing anything in the menus. Is that a real thing?

Do you have a reference for this? I’ve heard this too but have never actually seen a first hand account

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Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years? It looks like the situation is still that in the 4k OLED space there are a few ~$4000+ monitors and dozens of ~$1000 TVs. Per the pcpartpicker link, maybe the Gigabyte FO48U will change that, but it's still out of stock. Besides, I feel like this has happened before with HDR and 4k and IPS. First it shows up in TVs, a year later it is cheap i…

>Why does (consumer) monitor tech always seem to lag TV tech by a few years?.... Monitor used to have "much" lower input latency, higher PPI, much higher refresh rate and generally higher reliability because they are expected to be constantly on. i.e Their panels have different specifications. Although I am not sure if most of the above are true anymore especially with OLED. Given how TV manufactures have also had fo…

Yeah, I use gaming mode for my TV-as-a-monitor and if I don't the lag is noticeable even on the desktop. It has the nice side effect of disabling the obnoxious sharpening filters, too.

My dedicated monitors have had dismal reliability: one died right after the warranty, one died inside the warranty and they flaked on the warranty anyway. My reliability expectations are rock bottom, my TV will have to work hard to undershoot them.

Re: Ask HN: Are there any 4K “dumb” televisions?

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Why don't people like their Smart TVs? I've had a 4k smart TV for years and love it. Being able to stream without needing my phone is great. It seems ironic that people are complaining about smart TV ads while the [2] link in the OP has an absolutely MASSIVE video ad that takes up 2/3s of the screen. And it's not like you're not being tracked when you stream from a Roku stick / Chromecast. Edit: I have a 4k Samsung t…

> Why don't people like their Smart TVs?

The reason why people don't like smart TV's is in literally every other comment on this post: we don't like ads and other data collection activities TV manufacturers are pushing on us. Is that not obvious?

> It seems ironic that people are complaining about smart TV ads while the [2] link in the OP has an absolutely MASSIVE video ad that takes up 2/3s of the screen.

For the life of me I can't understand why I should dismiss my TV automatically downloading uninstallable apps and unmovable icons in prime UI real estate, serving ads and generally being a menace because there are ads in one dudes link on the internet.

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