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Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Take a look at Dr peterson personality test 'understand myself'. Maybe you have a open personality also named creative and it often work in opposition do industriousness. In that case maybe your are more suited to chaotic endeavor where you can thrive in the unexpected while other drown into it. Let's say you get a new job, are you at your best at the beginning where everything is new or have you better energy when t…

I have a hard time finding such personality tests helpful. What job would a trained SWE do if he discovers his high openness? Switch from Java to Javascript?

Work on short term contract where the ability to grasp things quickly is more important that dutifulness.

A cool job I heard was technology assessment for corporation that want to buy another compagnie, you look into the technology to see if it actually does what it say, what is the amount of tech debt, etc. You make a report and then you move on to the next.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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"Lazy" is just another way of saying that you're not doing something somebody else thinks you should be doing. Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. If you like doing it, you do it. You can't be lazy. You can only be lazy in some kind of context where you or others judge you and find you wanting. So two pieces of advice. First, stop judging so much. Do what you love doing and don't feel the…

> Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. I cannot disagree more. You can be lazy about something that brings enjoyment. Laziness is stagnation without regard for enjoyment or perceptions. In other words it is the opposite of ambition or progression. For example you can enjoy playing video games and yet become lazy about it through a lack of effort in that a decline of related goals does not…

I think you've outlined an excellent framework/technique to self improvement -- not dissimilar to the Carol Dweck's 'Growth Mindset'.

However, I think it's very likely GP has a much more pernicious problem. That is, he is afraid to make mistakes.

The sentence that highlights this for me is -- "I have realized that I easily give up when I face a hard problem."

If you're afraid of making mistakes, you won't be willing to ask questions (in case it makes you look stupid). And, you won't be willing to try something new (because learning something new leads to mistakes).

This fear of making mistakes is often rooted in an extrinsic desire to be perfect. And, based on GP's description, this desire likely came from his demanding upbringing (read: parents).

GP, I highly recommend Carol Dweck's book 'The Growth Mindset'. It's not just OK to make mistakes -- it's often a GOOD thing because it means you're on the path of progress.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Related prior discussions:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22124489 ("Procrastination is about managing emotions, not time (bbc.com")

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22096571 ("Ask HN: I don't want to be a worker any more I want to be a professional")

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20930439 ("how do you keep your programming motivation up?")

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18903886 "Ask HN: How do you motivate yourself to keep working on a project? "

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19777976 "ask hn: how do you stay disciplined in the long run?"

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some reason, when I try to edit this post, it doesn't update it correctly, there's a paragraph missing: On the other hand, whenever my mind find something interesting, I can have a lot of focus. I'm able to spend a couple of week only thinking about that issue, during that time, nothing else really matters, and I can't really get interested in anything else. I have difficulty talking about anything else with my p…

That sounds exactly like what the ADHD community calls a "hyperfixation". If you do want to look down the ADHD path more, here's some articles and such that might be helpful. Obviously, see a therapist about all of this and get diagnosed too if this all seriously resonates with you. - "Why I Procrastinate" - https://invisibleup.com/articles/27/ (disclaimer: i wrote this one) - "ADHD: A Lifelong Struggle" - https://ge…

Thanks both for the feedback and for the resources. Yes, I will definitely see a therapist.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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"Lazy" is just another way of saying that you're not doing something somebody else thinks you should be doing. Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. If you like doing it, you do it. You can't be lazy. You can only be lazy in some kind of context where you or others judge you and find you wanting. So two pieces of advice. First, stop judging so much. Do what you love doing and don't feel the…

> Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. I cannot disagree more. You can be lazy about something that brings enjoyment. Laziness is stagnation without regard for enjoyment or perceptions. In other words it is the opposite of ambition or progression. For example you can enjoy playing video games and yet become lazy about it through a lack of effort in that a decline of related goals does not…

It's also true though that sometimes laziness can drive ambition. Maybe you come across something that's complex and a pain to do, so you create a better, simpler way to do it. It may be a progression in another, sometimes better direction that other people at first glance might consider 'lazy'.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I'm using a throwaway account for this because I don't want to be this candid with any account that can be traced back to me. After reading some of the response mentioning ADHD and the issues people have, I wanted to talk about my issues and see if it resonates with anyone else and if others relates to it. It's not something I ever really discussed with anyone and I do think it would be good for me to hear from other…

I've gotten so much out of seeing my current therapist. It's one of the best decisions I've ever made. However, I started with psychiatrists, and had 3 in a row who insulted me and were worse than doing nothing. Look for a LPC practicing cognitive behavioral therapy. I can't really put into words how it's helped but my life is significantly better now and I wish I had started sooner.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I highly recommend checking out this thread about stimulant medications: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16033574 As someone who has ADHD and has taken stimulant medications for a long time, I would like to share my experience. There is a very faustian aspect of taking these medications. Don't think that you can change your brain chemistry and not change who you are. I would not have the career I have today with…

I'm obviously not a doctor, so take my words with a healthy dosage of salt, but do understand that different medications can have different effects on you. There's multiple types of ADHD medication (the two most common families are Adderall and Ritalin/Concerta), and because they're composed differently, it's possible that one can help more than the other. For me personally (YMMV!!!), I was recently diagnosed with AD…

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Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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"Lazy" is just another way of saying that you're not doing something somebody else thinks you should be doing. Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. If you like doing it, you do it. You can't be lazy. You can only be lazy in some kind of context where you or others judge you and find you wanting. So two pieces of advice. First, stop judging so much. Do what you love doing and don't feel the…

> Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. I cannot disagree more. You can be lazy about something that brings enjoyment. Laziness is stagnation without regard for enjoyment or perceptions. In other words it is the opposite of ambition or progression. For example you can enjoy playing video games and yet become lazy about it through a lack of effort in that a decline of related goals does not…

> If you are afraid to associate a decision with your reputation then somebody will make the decision for you. It is better to make a wrong decision early than to put that decision off to a future time. A wrong decision in the short term results in learning that can result in corrective decisions that would otherwise be absent.

While I agree with everything else you said, I can't disagree with this more.

If someone else is more qualified or better able to make a more informed decision than you are, then let them! Why worry about whether it was you or someone else who made the decision, when the real focus should be on maximizing the right decisions.

Furthermore, how do you know that a wrong decision early is better than putting a decision off until a future time? While I can think of some cases where this is true, I can also think of a LOT of cases where this is absolutely untrue. Some wrong decisions can be very damaging and irreversible. There are also many decisions that don't affect anyone adversely the later they're made up until some ultimate deadline (like turning in homework when you're younger, or filing applications for an RFQ, or many other similar things); the only reason to finalize decisions for these kinds of things earlier than necessary is to ease your own cognitive overhead rather than actually being better for anyone else.

The hard part about making decisions often isn't just the decision itself, but also in understanding the risks and trade-offs of making a potentially wrong decision now, versus making a better informed decision at a later time, and deciding which is the better approach for any given decision that needs to be made.

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody is lazy at playing video games or eating a favorite food. I cannot disagree more. You can be lazy about something that brings enjoyment. Laziness is stagnation without regard for enjoyment or perceptions. In other words it is the opposite of ambition or progression. For example you can enjoy playing video games and yet become lazy about it through a lack of effort in that a decline of related goals does not…

I think you've outlined an excellent framework/technique to self improvement -- not dissimilar to the Carol Dweck's 'Growth Mindset'. However, I think it's very likely GP has a much more pernicious problem. That is, he is afraid to make mistakes. The sentence that highlights this for me is -- "I have realized that I easily give up when I face a hard problem." If you're afraid of making mistakes, you won't be willing…

> I highly recommend Carol Dweck's book 'The Growth Mindset'.

Is this another one of those research findings that propagated into a book but failed to survive peer replication?

Re: Ask HN: How do I overcome mental laziness?

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I'm using a throwaway account for this because I don't want to be this candid with any account that can be traced back to me. After reading some of the response mentioning ADHD and the issues people have, I wanted to talk about my issues and see if it resonates with anyone else and if others relates to it. It's not something I ever really discussed with anyone and I do think it would be good for me to hear from other…

We are in very similar shoes. I get freaked out by administration and bureaucracy. I haven't submitted my taxes for years now. I stalled credit card payments and abandoned companies, never collected payments for my contracting jobs I've finished...

Work is not a problem for me either, I do what needs to be done, but not much more.

I also had negative cycles that eventually lead to my GF dumping me.

For me, the solution was fairly simple, to work on myself seriously. I found a therapist and started working out and now I feel I'm becoming a better version of myself. This is fairly recent, all this change happened in January.

Now we are seeing each other again with my ex and I'm making sounds plans to own a home and do something realistic with my life.

Keep it up, you are not alone!

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