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Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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The menu layout and structure looks exactly the same, except it's floating, which you get in modern GIMP by default. Can you explain in more depth how it's tangibly different?

The icons are different which still throw me off. The colour select tool is weirdly now stacked behind the cropping tool or some other selection tool.

That's why you learn keyboard shortcuts.

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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I apologize for saying this in advance but I'd have to say for me it's GIMP. Even after all its feature and popularity I find it extremely hard to use and often end up wasting hours trying to create a simple graphic. As a last resort I always end up booting Windows just to use Photoshop to do the same. I have been trying to move away from Windows to linux and so far I'm super happy with everything. But Photoshop is t…

This is always surprising to hear, because for me GIMP is substantially more intuitive and productive and easy than Photoshop ever was. Maybe things have changed lately, but every time I've tried to use Photoshop my eyes glossed over, whereas whenever I fire up GIMP I'm pretty quickly able to figure out how to do something. This is especially true with "single window mode" enabled (which pulls those weird sidebar win…

> because for me GIMP is substantially more intuitive and productive and easy than Photoshop ever was.

It took me some time to adjust, but yeah I felt the same.

> I definitely get that if you're already used to Photoshop then GIMP's gonna be an adjustment (and vice versa)

In fact the argument of people finding GIMP unintuitive is that Photoshop is better.

I mainly complain about GIMP's updates breaking changes though.

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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I apologize for saying this in advance but I'd have to say for me it's GIMP. Even after all its feature and popularity I find it extremely hard to use and often end up wasting hours trying to create a simple graphic. As a last resort I always end up booting Windows just to use Photoshop to do the same. I have been trying to move away from Windows to linux and so far I'm super happy with everything. But Photoshop is t…

Wow. So glad to hear I am not the only one who struggles with GIMP.

I find myself spending hours to do the most simple of tasks. Anytime I have to search for a tutorial on GIMP, I cringe. I am waiting for that UI/UX fork to come out for Mac.

What other alternatives are there that work on Mac besides Inkscape and Krita???

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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Factorio? More seriously, the absolute worst developer experience I've ever had was a weird proprietary environment called "OpenAT" for a mobile module system. Admittely we were in the beta programme because we needed features, but every new firmware update would fix some features of the operating system and break others . At one point while trying to debug terrible sound we noticed that the volume control wasn't at…

Factorio is such a great game! I have easily “wasted” more than 500 hours in that game. It’s one of the most satisfying games out there. The one thing that is incredible is that sometimes your layouts end up looking like circuit boards when zoomed out.

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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Desktop Linux. Always something needs to be set up, always something breaking, always something needed to be fixed, always had a problem to solve.

I am well past 10,000 hours of waste on this one.

Still, I vastly prefer it due to the greater ability to customise my graphical environment based on my own preferences and ergonomic needs. The biggest advantage for me is being able to choose my own window manager. I use bspwm + sxhkd now, which I haven't quite mastered, but has allowed me to choose how it works, rather than forcing me to adopt its own vision.

I even split my time between a MacBook Pro and my Linux laptop for ~4 years just to try it out. OS X is almost hassle-free, and relatively well-designed, but not as openly customisable.

The biggest time sinks on desktop Linux for me have been the usual suspects:

- graphics

- monitors

- sound

- poor battery life

- wifi (although I have not had issues since I adopted iwd)

- sleep/hibernate (or rather, awakening from them reliably, 100% of the time)

- and, of course, having to deal with outsiders who expect you to have things like Adobe Acrobat, and then you have to find a workaround or go to the library to use a Windows box.

I admit that some of these are self-inflicted, and would likely not be a problem if I just used something like Ubuntu in its default setup.

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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MS Sharepoint takes the cake. Impossible to navigate, hysterically difficult to use for storing and maintaining content repositories / wiki's. Also the outlook/skype/teams/lync universe of communication tools is laughably inconsistent, it's very difficult for me to do very simple tasks in these tools.

I work with SharePoint professionally and it's incredibly frustrating. If I'm trying to find out which list a document was uploaded to, it could be in 3+ locations. Much of my time with SP has been spent figuring out where stuff is and WHY it was uploaded there in the first place.

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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A somewhat obscure one, but Xenword. In theory the idea was a good one; connect a XenForo install to a WordPress install so people could sign up/login with the former and get access to various settings on the latter.

In practice on the other hand, I found the integration a complete nightmare, and everything was very prone to breaking for random reasons, making it either impossible to login or so the data wasn't pulled in properly etc.

And it's been a similar story with quite a few other software bridges/integrations. So much so in fact, that I realised it's almost always more practical to either find a solution that does both A and B at the same time, or to just build something yourself with the features needed rather than spend hours debugging an integration between two separate programs.

Edit: Oh, and Adobe Target. Even for an A/B testing tool this thing is frustrating as hell to use, and has a ton of design decisions that make no sense at all. For instance, you can't track clicks on an element by class/ID if the class/ID doesn't exist on that page at the time you use the editor, meaning you can't track clicks on an element that exists on some of the pages you want to test but not others, or all items in a list/feed. You also can't easily run the same test on multiple different pages with different URLs, so you have to 'add a page' in the editor for each URL pattern and copy the code over to it again.

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The menu layout and structure looks exactly the same, except it's floating, which you get in modern GIMP by default. Can you explain in more depth how it's tangibly different?

The icons are different which still throw me off. The colour select tool is weirdly now stacked behind the cropping tool or some other selection tool.

You can move those about though

Re: Ask HN: Programs that wasted you 100 hours?

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Exactly. I love the spirit and motivation behind Office Libre, but Excel and Word just _work_ for most basic tasks and an amazing number of corner cases. Open-source products just don't even come close. The only tools people don't complain about are the ones that no one uses.

I think one of the big problem of Word is that it is routinely used for things it was not designed for and which are still out of Microsoft target. It's a tool for not too long technical documents, for secretarial work, for basic marketing text, for quick an dirty but decently presented invoices, for writing a resume. It has never been meant for writing novels, for page setting, for writing hundreds of pages of techn…

But mainly because there are no viable alternatives that are available in multiple platforms, cost less or the same than Word, and do things significantly better.

InDesign is infinitely better for typesetting, but you're the learning curve to get something presentable is higher than LaTeX, because you have to know design, and more expensive than Word.

LyX is the only tool that comes close to replacing Word. It's free, significantly better typesetting, easy to use, and available in most platforms.

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