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Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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I've hired two people out of Hack Reactor and they were both awesome. Much better than most of the newgrads I've hired out of CS programs. I was quite wary at first, but after being very impressed in interviews, they won me over. The caveat is you have to be very selective in interviewing. Hand out small take-home test projects, and look for guys that not only do a good job, but go above and beyond. Most of the tech…

What company? Just curious. I'm at HR now :-)

This is when I was at Chartboost.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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Yes, I work at Refinery29 (obligatory www.corporate.r29.com/careers/), a large women's fashion website in NYC. Of our 30 person tech team, we have had about 5 people coming out of these bootcamps, and they are all awesome. Although I think your idea of who goes to these bootcamps is pretty off. These aren't people who "had never opened a text editor in their lives." Some of them are people who were working in science…

Hm. So since companies do hire from dev bootcamps, are the candidates quizzed about CS theory during the application process? It seems pretty standard to be asked about data structures and algorithms for engineering positions and I can't imagine someone attending these bootcamps to also be well-versed at those over the course of their quick training.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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post #183

My team (a small healthcare startup) spent a lot of time looking at this for our first hire so I feel like I could provide some insights. First off, I think it varies quite widely on the school. We talked to people from General Assembly and the quality varied A LOT. There were some people who I would have said were capable of being a junior developer and some who I would say are hardly employable. None of them were e…

App Academy claims on their homepage that SF graduates receive an average salary of $100,000. So unless they are blatantly lying or fudging the statistics somehow, it's not BS.

App Academy SF grad here, I am making over $100,000 for a company in SF.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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Why wouldn't you do it again if it was a good experience?

Our company was in a unique hiring period where we were bringing on a relatively large number of junior developers. We dont normally have that case.

What if the company needed to bring on a large number of junior developers again?

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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post #200

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I care about capability, not credentials. That said, a BS from a decent CS program has some value, if only as a filter. And programs like these "bootcamps" have a similar value with a much lower bar. In both cases you need to know the program to really figure out how to scale it in your decision. Running an educational program is hard, I agree. And if you guys are doing a really excellent job of it over, say, 10 week…

(Disclosure: I'm a college dropout who went through Hack Reactor and can, for the first time, afford a comfortable lifestyle) Hack Reactor focuses entirely on JavaScript and Web Development, after baking in the basics (algorithms, logical thinking, recursion vs iteration, introductory functional programming and TDD). And it is incredibly successful. I think you're underestimating the difference between college and im…

I don't think I'm underestimating it at all. Immersive learning works best when you are almost ready to learn the material already; in this case you can achieve a lot in a few days if you are motivated, but there are limits. You can't compress years or months into days, and you can only get so far before you have to slow down and synthesize.

I wouldn't hire someone just because they'd graduated from a decent CS program either, it's just a reasonable proxy for some of the skills (but not others) they will need to become a developer over time.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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post #18

yes i hired a guy who had been through a general assembly course in london, he had also had a couple short of internships before he got to us. hired as a junior javascript developer and he is doing very well

I'm sure you can't answer this, but are you paying him anywhere near $100,000 (£66,000)? In my experience that's about twice what a bog standard junior dev outside of finance, Facebook, Palantir, Facebook etc gets in London.

no where near that figure, obviously can't give specifics but its not even approaching half of that salary

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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post #18

yes i hired a guy who had been through a general assembly course in london, he had also had a couple short of internships before he got to us. hired as a junior javascript developer and he is doing very well

Hey, GA Instructor here! Did he do FEWD or WDI?

he did the WDI course and has nothing but good things to say about it :))

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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post #18

yes i hired a guy who had been through a general assembly course in london, he had also had a couple short of internships before he got to us. hired as a junior javascript developer and he is doing very well

I'm sure you can't answer this, but are you paying him anywhere near $100,000 (£66,000)? In my experience that's about twice what a bog standard junior dev outside of finance, Facebook, Palantir, Facebook etc gets in London.

I would be astonished. I'm a junior on £27k, and when I was looking for jobs I never saw a single one at that level advertised over £30k.

Which rather puts the £8k fees in an unflattering perspective, but there you go.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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I know an awesome Node developer here in Baltimore with no prior experience, who had gone to a bootcamp for six months, and who was offered an intermediate-level position. Talking with her I felt like she was more of a colleague than a brand-new dev.

Do her initials happen to be AK, from Nashville? If so, I know exactly who you are talking about. She used to come to a meetup that I organize for teaching beginners Ruby on Rails before she moved to Baltimore. She's fantastic. Also, if we are talking about the same person, I will say that the quality of people coming out of the program that she attended is really high. One of my co-organizers is also a graduate, has…

yes! that's who I'm thinking of! A great inspiration.

Re: Ask HN: Does anyone actually hire from 'developer bootcamps'?

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post #220

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Fair, although my experience is still relevant because clients are still hiring developers that have gone through a bootcamp. There is full transparency that the clients are getting developers with limited experience, and they are still willing to pay a premium because of the bootcamp. The underlying concept is still the same - a company trains competent developers and gets a premium for doing so. The only difference…

"although my experience is still relevant because clients are still hiring developers that have gone through a bootcamp" Historically, the clients had little choice who showed up for their projects when working with larger consulting shops. Has that changed? Clients weren't usually vetting Jen and Bill and Joe, but rather they ordered bodies and got "3 bootcamp grads". Are you and your fellow bootcamp grads interview…

We are interviewed and vetted by clients before starting. It varies by client, but usually the interview process is pretty similar to what the clients do when they hire employees.
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