Elm programming language. Arguably not dead but somewhat incomplete and not actively worked on.
opa, along the same lines - really nice ML based language for isomorphic full stack web development.
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#232Google Wave. Edit: you asked why. I first saw it at SELF where Chris DiBona showed it to me and a close friend. It was awesome. Real time translation, integration of various types of messaging, tons of cool capabilities, and it was fully open source. What made it out of Google was a stripped down version of what I was shown, the market rejected it, and it was a sad day. Now, I am left with JIRA, Slack, and email. It…
Is there a video or anything of this version of Wave?
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#233- Photon, the graphical interface for QNX. Oriented more towards real time (widgets included gauges) but good enough to support two different web browsers. No delays. This was a real time operating system. - MacOS 8. Not the Linux thing, but Copeland. This was a modernized version of the original MacOS, continuing the tradition of no command line. Not having a command line forces everyone to get their act together ab…
> - XHTML. Have you ever read the parsing rules for HTML 5, where the semantics for bad HTML were formalized? Browsers should just punt at the first error, display an error message, and render the rest of the page in Times Roman. Would it kill people to have to close their tags properly?
Amen. Postel’s Law was wrong:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc9413
We stop at the first sign of trouble for almost every other format, we do not need lax parsing for HTML. This has caused a multitude of security vulnerabilities and only makes it more difficult for pretty much everybody.
The attitude towards HTML5 parsing seemed to grow out of this weird contrarianism that everybody who wanted to do better than whatever Internet Explorer did had their head in the clouds and that the role of a standard was just to write down all the bugs.
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#234Elm programming language. Arguably not dead but somewhat incomplete and not actively worked on.
A few commits recently.
There are lots of competing MLs you can use instead:
- F# (Fable)
- ReasonML
- OCaml (Bucklescript)
- Haskell
- PureScript
IMO the problem with Elm was actually The Elm Architecture.
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#235The information superhighway The internet before advertising, artificial intelligence, social media and bots. When folks created startups in their bedrooms or garages. The days when google slogan was “don’t be evil”.
AKA "back when Marc Andreessen had hair and not enough money to build an apocalypse bunker on a personal island."
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#236Re: Ask HN: Abandoned/dead projects you think died before their time and why?
#237Midori, Microsoft's capability-based security OS[1]. Rumor has it that it was getting to the point where it was able to run Windows code, so it was killed through internal politics, but who knows! It was the Fuchsia of its time... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midori_%28operating_system%29
Midori was fascinating. Joe Duffy's writing on it is the most comprehensive I've seen: https://joeduffyblog.com/2015/11/03/blogging-about-midori/ I've heard someone at Microsoft describe it as a moonshot but also a retention project; IIRC it had a hundred plus engineers on it at one time, including a lot of very senior people. Apparently a bunch of research from Midori made it into .NET so it wasn't all lost, but sti…
> retention project
Never heard this phrase before, but I can definitely see this happening at companies of that size
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#238Elm programming language. Arguably not dead but somewhat incomplete and not actively worked on.
A few commits recently. There are lots of competing MLs you can use instead: - F# (Fable) - ReasonML - OCaml (Bucklescript) - Haskell - PureScript IMO the problem with Elm was actually The Elm Architecture.
What's "the Elm architecture"?
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#239A lot of things on https://killedbygoogle.com/ . I used to use 30-40 Google products and services. I'm down to 3-4. Google Picasa: Everything local, so fast, so good. I'm never going to give my photos to G Photos. Google Hangouts: Can't keep track of all the Google chat apps. I use Signal now. Google G Suite Legacy: It was supposed to be free forever. They killed it, tried to make me pay. I migrated out of Google. Go…
Immich is a great replacement for Google Photos, if maybe not Picasa.
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#240The Lockheed D-21 drone. Supersonic ramjet without the complexity of scramjet or the cost of turbojet, hamstrung by the need for a manned launch platform (making operations safety-critical… with predictable results) and recovery to get data off it. Twenty or forty years later it would have been paired by a small number of high-cost launcher UAVs and had its cost driven down to disposable, with data recovery over radio comms… but twenty to forty years later there’s nothing like it, and the maturation of satellites means there almost certainly never will be.