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Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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~Calm down. It's a common misconception.~

It's a common misconception among people who haven't done even the slightest bit of research. Or done their taxes themselves. Confidently stating stuff that is obviously false SHOULD be ridiculed.

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No, they shouldn't.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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I just wrapped up a long job search process, where I got offers from a handful of companies. I currently work at FAANG, so I was looking for a pay bump.

The only companies that could beat my current comp are other big tech and finance, but there were a couple of surprises along the way.

For example, a Tier 3 (i.e. you never heard about them) company offered me 450k TC for a Staff level position. This compares to the 500k TC for a senior level position at FAANG. I also interviewed for a Startup that offered 650k TC for a Principal level, although the stocks were paper money.

To your point, "random" companies can come close to FAANG salaries for high enough levels, but it's far from a given. In fact I'd say most random companies probably top in the 200k range.

If you are interested just start every conversation with a recruiter asking for their comp range. I found these days almost all recruiters answer, and then you can decide if it is worth your time to go ahead.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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[Edited to remove snark/barbs as per HN guidelines]. I am genuinely curious though - you seem like you've had a successful career and life. I typically assume people in your position are rather familiar with the basic math behind personal taxes, 401k's, HSA's, child tax credits, standard deductions vs. large charitable deductions, etc. I think I may have been grossly mischaracterizing a potentially large group of peo…

~Calm down. It's a common misconception.~

Apparently this belief is far more common than I thought. I expected it to be closer to the percentage of Americans who think the Earth is flat (10%)[0]. Evidently 50% of Americans[1] believe you pay your highest marginal rate on all of your income. I'm blown away, and genuinely humbled. I don't understand how someone can get a Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac home loan, raise children, have a long and successful career and not understand tax brackets -- I clearly am incredibly out of touch with how some people live their lives, and I have a lot to learn about other people.

0: https://carsey.unh.edu/publication/conspiracy-vs-science-sur...

1: https://www.aei.org/economics/survey-confirms-that-many-amer...

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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It's interesting how so many people have an aversion to being a business owner / entrepreneur, and will instead put in so much effort to optimize being a well-paid employee, instead of learning how to start and run a business. These salaries listed are great salaries, no doubt, but they are not dramatically more than say, a guy running a successful local plumbing business. And the ceiling is limited as an employee, w…

> instead of learning how to start and run a business

Because the stress and risks of running a small business as a solo inexperienced first time business owner are insane compared to a regular 9-5.

Especially if you start hiring other people, your liability then increases 10 fold as now anything can happen with them (sick leave, absenteism, low performance, sabotage, etc) but you're still bound to the same deadlines you agreed with your customers or you'll get sued for damages by them.

As an employee you have some basic rights and protections from the state on the limits your employer can squeeze from you, more or less, depending on where you live. As a contractor or company however, you don't, and can be fully liable in court for your failures to deliver regardless of your personal circumstances. Unless you know what you're getting into and have the know-how, experience, or mentorship, it's not worth it in most cases.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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Is that because it's actually that different, or because it would mangle the acronym?

It pays dramatically lower than actual FAANG-type companies and has a lower hiring bar to compensate. Senior positions are around half the TC you'd get at Meta.

Sorry Amazon worker, but Amazon also doesn’t deserve to be in the FAANG for the exact same reason.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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That's not how tax brackets work, but it is a common misconception. If you salary goes up, your take-home goes up, full stop. If you are making $191,950/year (the very top end of the 24% bracket for 2024) you will pay $39,110.50 in federal income tax, (before any deductions) for a net of $152,839.50. (You may notice that this is less than 24%) If you make an additional $1,000/year: $192,950, only the additional $1,00…

I'm not disappointed. This is a classic case of someone who knows nothing about a topic making confident statements that will undoubtedly spread. People who do this should absolutely be ridiculed to discourage spreading total nonsense.

And to be clear we're not talking about some esoteric subject -- this is the most basic part of how your salary is taxed by the US government.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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It's interesting how so many people have an aversion to being a business owner / entrepreneur, and will instead put in so much effort to optimize being a well-paid employee, instead of learning how to start and run a business. These salaries listed are great salaries, no doubt, but they are not dramatically more than say, a guy running a successful local plumbing business. And the ceiling is limited as an employee, w…

Yes. This is a bit reductive, but literally everything is out there for the taking -- you just have to go out and get it!

Anecdotally, I've noticed that a disproportionate amount of formally-educated people I've encountered in life are more allergic to this idea than the opposite.. I don't have any solid theories as to why, exactly, but it's curious nonetheless.

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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When I was a consultant, I could not find a health insurance plan that was even vaguely the equal of my current job's health insurance. Not too expensive, but simply not offered. That's not to say that job insurance is automatically good -- the job I had before being a consultant had worse health insurance that was a little worse than the plans I had as a consultant.

My plan next time I'm doing any kind of c2c type work will be to setup with trinet or another similar company to handle payroll benefits, even if it is just me.

You'd still have GP's problem of not finding any decent health insurance offered for a single-employee business. Google "adverse selection."

Re: Ask HN: Is it possible to make FAANG salaries without working there?

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It's interesting how so many people have an aversion to being a business owner / entrepreneur, and will instead put in so much effort to optimize being a well-paid employee, instead of learning how to start and run a business. These salaries listed are great salaries, no doubt, but they are not dramatically more than say, a guy running a successful local plumbing business. And the ceiling is limited as an employee, w…

> I mean a SAAS that solves a boring problem for other businesses with money to spend.

Profitable software-based ideas are increasingly difficult to find. Thousands of people are exploring every niche and trying to start startups in them, which is great, but competition is fierce and unexplored niches are shrinking.

And of course, it's still not straightforward even if you find a relatively unexplored niche. Most people I see who have attempted startups had extensive family support or personal wealth from exits as an employee of a company that had an IPO.

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