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Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
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Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this speaks to the bubble you're in and how your kind of software development probably represents 0.1% of what's out there. I don't even know what WebGPU, Warren Abstract machine or "whatever is that you're trying to do" is. I've been doing dev for ~20 years now, most of the work out there is essentially plumbing events/databases/REST APIs/regexes/JSON/configs/ web UIs in existing and well established framewo…
The parent comment claimed they had the value of 15-20 high priced world class consultants from every field, but this makes it seem like it does only the most basic common tasks.
Agreed. I asked it things I actually need help with, not relatively mundane tasks that are easily accomplished by reading documentation. And the fact that it answers so confidently and yet wrong concerns me.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#233Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this speaks to the bubble you're in and how your kind of software development probably represents 0.1% of what's out there. I don't even know what WebGPU, Warren Abstract machine or "whatever is that you're trying to do" is. I've been doing dev for ~20 years now, most of the work out there is essentially plumbing events/databases/REST APIs/regexes/JSON/configs/ web UIs in existing and well established framewo…
> I think this speaks to the bubble you're in and how your kind of software development probably represents 0.1% of what's out there. Grandparent specifically said they find ChatGPT useful for things outside their wheelhouse: >> [...]troubleshooting situations that flow into me - working in areas that I have the slimmest of backgrounds in It sounds to me like it may not be safe to use ChatGPT if you can't check its w…
Yea, I tried using it like that and got a bunch of "you're using it wrong responses".
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#234Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point, it provided some solution, and then you were able to continue to expand upon that solution. I keep reading responses like yours, but I haven't seen any specific examples of problems being solved, so it all sounds very abstract. In my interactions with ChatGPT, it felt like just interact…
> Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point... I think it's worth stepping back here and re-examining the hurdles your setting for your own understanding. The essential question here is: is ChatGPT useful to people. What you seem to be implying with your question is: I will not use ChatGPT unless it can solve problems with X lev…
Well I have yet to have been provided a specific example that matches the hyperbolic descriptions people are throwing around. I simply tried to find my own examples, and as is my experience with ChatGPT, it is nearly completely worthless. And then I get told that I'm using it wrong, asking it too niche of questions, and to reset my expectations.
I'm still waiting for the concrete examples that back up the above commentary about how much of a gamechanger it is.
> I've essentially got 15-20 high-priced world-class consultants in every field that I chose to pull from, working at my beck and call
In other words, this comment from above needs backing up. I've seen such descriptions everywhere but no one has ever provided examples that corroborate this.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#235Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point... I think it's worth stepping back here and re-examining the hurdles your setting for your own understanding. The essential question here is: is ChatGPT useful to people. What you seem to be implying with your question is: I will not use ChatGPT unless it can solve problems with X lev…
I'm not the OP but I had a similar set of experiences with ChatGPT so I find the discussion useful. Essentially I already know how to find what I need using a search engine, and I know how to use cues from the source material to judge if it's correct. When I try using ChatGPT for technical problems I face, I frequently get hallucinated answers that feel like a waste of time. Then I go on HN and read these paeans from…
> Then I go on HN and read these paeans from other technologists who say ChatGPT has completely changed how they work and is 10x better than using Google. I'd like to have that too! I just don't get it, it doesn't match my experience at all.
This is exactly my experience and what I am trying to get at. I start feeling that maybe I'm missing out, so I go give it a try. My direct experience shows that it spits out gibberish, but then people say things like it's a godsend but don't give any examples besides maybe it generated some HTTP API requests for them.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is just helping out with trivial tasks, which sounds very much in scope of LLMs. The OP was talking about replacing "world class consultants", which I'm very sceptical of.
I use it almost exclusively to help me approach novel problems, or at least problem spaces that I am severely lacking expertise in. It’s pretty incredible for helping me leverage my extant programming knowledge to accomplish things that I couldn’t before due to being blocked by research. I’ve also used it quite a lot for advice as I was learning project management and moving away from individual contributions. So I t…
> I use it almost exclusively to help me approach novel problems, or at least problem spaces that I am severely lacking expertise in. It’s pretty incredible for helping me leverage my extant programming knowledge to accomplish things that I couldn’t before due to being blocked by research.
Can you expand on this? This is what I'd like to use it for, but I don't ever have any experience remotely close to helpful. The typical response is just something like "that's complicated but here's some gibberish that tries to show a simple example but is still wrong in ways it's not useful at all".
Do you have a specific example?
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point, it provided some solution, and then you were able to continue to expand upon that solution. I keep reading responses like yours, but I haven't seen any specific examples of problems being solved, so it all sounds very abstract. In my interactions with ChatGPT, it felt like just interact…
With chatgpt I’ve been able to generate math 2d and 3d animations in just 1-2hr with no background nor prior knowledge. I was also able to use it to generate software to check the blockchain to gather data I needed, again with no experience using the blockchain client libraries
> With chatgpt I’ve been able to generate math 2d and 3d animations in just 1-2hr with no background nor prior knowledge.
Can you give some example prompts that will reproduce such an experience?
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#238I'm bearish only in so far as I feel LLM's are not completely useless, but they'll be as revolutionary as spellcheck was. Which is to say, it'll make a few jobs a bit easier.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point... I think it's worth stepping back here and re-examining the hurdles your setting for your own understanding. The essential question here is: is ChatGPT useful to people. What you seem to be implying with your question is: I will not use ChatGPT unless it can solve problems with X lev…
Well I have yet to have been provided a specific example that matches the hyperbolic descriptions people are throwing around. I simply tried to find my own examples, and as is my experience with ChatGPT, it is nearly completely worthless. And then I get told that I'm using it wrong, asking it too niche of questions, and to reset my expectations. I'm still waiting for the concrete examples that back up the above comme…
Agree with you, why hasn't someone show a useful prompt or an example of it in more than 8 hours ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
For me, personally, it has replaced Google Search for the type of query that looks like initial research on a specific subject. "What is X?" then ask a couple follow up questions and I can quickly get a rough idea of some subject that I happen to need at the moment.
Re: Ask HN: Is anyone else bearish on OpenAI?
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Are you able to give a specific example of a problem it helped you solve? Especially one that you were at a complete blocking point... I think it's worth stepping back here and re-examining the hurdles your setting for your own understanding. The essential question here is: is ChatGPT useful to people. What you seem to be implying with your question is: I will not use ChatGPT unless it can solve problems with X lev…
Well I have yet to have been provided a specific example that matches the hyperbolic descriptions people are throwing around. I simply tried to find my own examples, and as is my experience with ChatGPT, it is nearly completely worthless. And then I get told that I'm using it wrong, asking it too niche of questions, and to reset my expectations. I'm still waiting for the concrete examples that back up the above comme…
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