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Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Sideberry is a worthy competitor : https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/

I might try it next week, but if you'd mention Sideberry's advantages over TST that would be great.

Sideberry is more complete out of the box. TST is more flexible for low level tinkering. That's what I read somewhere for TST, I use Sideberry.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #98

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Vertical space is still at a premium because most laptops use the obnoxious 16:9 aspect ratio. That’s why I keep my tabs on the right in Vivaldi.

Not to mention most websites love to waste vertical space. Navbars keep getting thicker, designers insist on having top bars even when the navigation is in the sidebar and the bottom is eaten up by cookie banners and chat/feedback popups.

I’m guessing the problem there is that mobile is far more unforgiving on horizontal space than laptops are on vertical space, so anybody building a webpage to target both ends up in the regime you’re talking about.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #215

That’s why I build Anybox: To pick up where built-in bookmark manager left off. If you’re on the Mac, you should give it a try. https://anybox.app

That looks interesting! Does it also have a way to deal with sets of "related" links? For example I might want to save and archive a webpage and its discussion on HN together or a collection of multiple blog posts as single entity. Currently I use org-mode but, even with org-capture, it is not frictionless and the mobile integration is lacking.

I’m afraid not. But this is an interesting idea.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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I don't know about Chrome, but in Firefox: Chrome now hides the bookmark bar by default Not sure if it is the default, but my Firefox bookmark bar is always visible load common favorite news sites & blogs or load a window with all my productivity SaaS sites. Shift+Click on a bookmark folder does that pick up where i left off on a research rabbit hole Right-Click on one of the open tabs, click "select all tabs", right…

> Not sure if it is the default, but my Firefox bookmark bar is always visible you can set it to show/hide, but also to "Only show on new tab" which I use. That way I don't lose screen space, but and CMD+T (Ctrl+T on non-mac) will show my most important bookmarks in the bar right away.

This sounds nice, I just tried to do this and it doesn't work. Restarted FF and then my PC, still nothing when I open a new tab. It's too bad too, because I just realized how annoying my bookmarks bar is.

edit: It seems that if your new tab is set to 'blank page' it doesn't work, the default "firefox home' works though. For...reasons.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #10

You can already do all the things you ask for, in Chrome. Control+shift+B is the shortcut to hide/unhide the bookmark bar. If you unhide it, it remains visible, even next time you restart chrome. You can create bookmark folders. Then right click on the folder -> "Open all" or "Open all in new window". Etc. It's intuitive, efficient, and prominent ("Open all" is literally the FIRST item in the right-click context menu…

You can do it in Firefox too

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #230

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I think that's venturing into tinfoil hat territory. More likely telemetry told them that some percentage > 50 always toggle the bookmark bar off and they decided to make it the default. It's still there on new tabs after all. Companies like Google are long term greedy, they don't make unpopular UX decisions for scraps.

Companies like Google are long term greedy, they don't make unpopular UX decisions for scraps. Like not letting you add tags? not tagging definitely makes you use google search more.

I think both tags and folders would confuse people. I'd personally like them to remove folders and have only tags, but you can already imagine the HN comments ... google screwing with bookmarks to make you use search more ... not compatible with other browsers (import/export) ... monopolistic ... lock-in.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #223

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I don't see a big difference with having them in a HTML page, vs. the side bar. You get a full list of your bookmarks with icons in a vertical-sorted way, including search. What difference does it make?

It makes a big difference to me. I use what you say sparingly for organizing, but once it's sorted, there are several shortcomings: limited horizontal space, the fixed presentation (it would be nice to add notes or images, change sizes, etc.) and in general the fact that it's an internal format that I can't manipulate. To summarize: I don't want just a way to launch the bookmarked pages, but to create a page based on…

Okay I get your usecase, but adding images and notes to bookmarks seems to be a very rare/custom/fringe feature request (not even Opera had this), so I wouldn't see firefox or chrome here neglecting their users. Sounds like something for an external tool or extension.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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I use bookmarks extensively and the bookmarks experience on Edge and Chrome is so horrible that they have been relegated to 3rd class citizen in my workflow, I ONLY use those browsers when I MUST. All the bookmarking for me happens in Firefox, it shines in this regards (can it be better, of course, but it is leaps better than Chrome/Edge!). I think the problem is the Instagram-mentality, where everything is ephemeral and very short-lived, preserving long-term is always an afterthought, if at all. With every firefox update I can't help but fear that they'll gut the bookmarks feature-set to bare-bones :-|

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #109

My browser home page is a page of bookmarks I originally made in 1998 and it's still going strong: https://david.kitchen/bookmarks/ I update it occasionally (last updated the HTML to XHTML 1.0 in 2000, but last edited the bookmarks a month or so ago)... but these are my frequently used bookmarks. I also use Pinboard ( https://pinboard.in/ ) for the long tail of bookmarks where I can search the full text of the bookma…

The same story here. I had started in 1999, and have been editing the same page since then.

I can also search Google, Wikipedia, etc., directly from the same home page.

The only core difference that I maintain that page locally on each device and use local file sync.

Firefox on Android stopped opening local HTML files, without them giving a clear reason why, and I stopped using it.

[1] https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/fenix/issues/7546

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