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Re: Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal?

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Post by rendall » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 9:56 PM UTC

ngold wrote: post #210

BizarroLand wrote: post #191

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Plus, RED's goal is to move product. Sell Cameras. Become the de Facto standard camera for aspiring, indie, and professional movie and TV studios around the world. Stealing a single picture out of a 60fps camera for no particular purpose won't put money in their back pocket. Building a 3g modem into a camera and paying cellular data fees to occasionally snoop into their users' memory cards won't earn them a penny. Th…

It's the user data selling I would be concerned about. They are obviously getting another revenue stream from people that can afford 30k cameras. Which is a godamn goldmine for data sets.

Maybe it's that this thread is about specialist hardware that the commenters are unusually naive about how companies can use telemetry? I've seen it repeatedly argued as with GP that stealing footage is impractical therefore the consumer has no valid concerns, here.

Re: Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal?

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Post by johnklos » Sat, Apr 30, 2022, 11:11 PM UTC

boppo1 wrote: post #224

rurban wrote: post #213

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Bullshit. The Arri Alexa is the gold standard, the RED the cheap alternative. You can immediately see if it was shot with a good camera or a RED.

Can you give me some example scenes to look at?

Here's an article that'll tell you a few examples of what's shot on what:

https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/cameras-behind-netflix-orig...

Here's a very polite quote about some of the issues people have with RED:

"We did a lot of tests with the VariCam and the RED, and I was really happy with what the VariCam was giving us. We found that we were a little afraid of how the RED camera handles greens. We were going to be surrounded in greens while shooting summer in Atlanta, and the RED just looked a little too digital."

Re: Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal?

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Post by boppo1 » Sun, May 01, 2022, 12:48 AM UTC

johnklos wrote: post #232

boppo1 wrote: post #224

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Can you give me some example scenes to look at?

Here's an article that'll tell you a few examples of what's shot on what: https://www.premiumbeat.com/blog/cameras-behind-netflix-orig... Here's a very polite quote about some of the issues people have with RED: "We did a lot of tests with the VariCam and the RED, and I was really happy with what the VariCam was giving us. We found that we were a little afraid of how the RED camera handles greens. We were going to be…

Neat, thanks.

Re: Ask HN: Is the EULA on my new $30k RED cinema camera legal?

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Post by synicalx » Mon, May 02, 2022, 6:04 AM UTC

kube-system wrote: post #45

cbm-vic-20 wrote: post #41

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> probably worth giving them the benefit of the doubt My lawyer would have a seizure if I showed this to them. If I had a lawyer, of course.

I've hired a few, and they're all well aware that sloppy boilerplate is commonplace. They often suggest you take a realist approach to the situation as a whole, and consider the incentives of those involved.

I've worked with lawyers who all shared that same "it's probably fine" attitude, which genuinely surprised me until I went out drinking with them one night...