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What car is it? In what country did you purchase it? To me that sounds beyond reality…
It starts with a T.
Why not just say what it is?
Ask HN: Should we own the free stuff we pay for?
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Social logins only carry your information and a token, and you can enter to your profile and add a password too (99% of the time). So, you can use social login (OpenID Connect in reailty), as an automated form filler and add your password, so your account will be effectively won't depend on that provider anymore. I use a lot of services like that.
Finding the place to enter and save and confirm a password sounds a lot harder than just putting in my first name, last name, email and a password in the first place.
Especially with increasingly convenient password manager UX’es (e.g. integration on iOS)
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#233You could argue that gmail is not a product that I own, but I paid for it, so technically, don't I own it? ... Should we own the free services that we've paid for with money and data?
I really don't see how, so this reads as hand wavey to me. Also, keep in mind, even if we're taking claim of payment at face value, you paid something for it, but that doesn't mean you've paid in full & paying for something doesn't imply ownership (like leasing a car, renting an apartment, etc).
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#234Gmail itself is a scam. It took me a while to realize how fucked up this "free service" was. We've collectively ben pwned by Google, big time.
It might be a bad deal, but it's not a scam. The say they'll give you webmail and they give you webmail.
It was a scam though. They read our mails and sold PI to advertisers. Google say they stopped doing it but there is no way I trust them. Do you still get flights added to your Google calendar automatically?
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#235You can't compel a company to provide you with a service. That's a little too close to slavery for society's taste. If a company doesn't provide you with a service you agreed to, you can get damages from a court, but you have to use such services as your contract agreed. It stinks to end up on the wrong end, but that's part of the cost of getting such massive benefits for free. If you want something more reliable or…
Yes you can. Just look at the laws surrounding your local utility companies.
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> If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer. But if you are so dumb as to not know your data us harvested, you are a great gullible idiot, er, I mean customer. I don't think logic holds any water. There is no rational 'free market' reason you can't sell your data, it's just logistically too difficult to deal with millions of individu…
1) I did not say anything about not having data harvested. 2) Even if the data is being harvested, doesn't mean that there is any morality in trying to get a share of the profits. That doesn't make you smart, it makes you a cheap accomplice. 3) "free market" would apply only if all exchanged data were offered by those that own the data, and if they could determine how and when the data could be used. GDPR has shown a…
I think you underestimate the training/socializing effects of being raised with advertising, and the steps toward closing that gap already underway.
You can buy discounted TVs (and in some places they are the only TVs you can buy), which clearly have advertisements on them that others do not.
When more people wake up my bet is they will be accustomed to advertising, they will just want better advertising. And if one can get paid for receiving short-form entertainment with relevant product information, with appropriate branding I bet there is a market.
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Why can't you just go around selling your data to the highest bidders and use the money to pay for the myriad of already-existing hosting providers? I'll tell you why: because you are not worth that much to advertisers. If you are so cheap to the point of asking to get your data harvested, chances are you never going to be a high-value customer.
The issue is far more likely the low volume transaction (of one user) which is itself likely to be a consequence of lack of demand/reason for this service so far. No one is set up to explicitly monetize your data with consent. It doesn’t seem like a bad idea once society catches up with it.
There is no need for the monetization of data.
Monetizing users' attention is enough.
Look at the Brave model. People get paid for the ads, no personal data is exchanged.
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#238> And I've started by purchasing a domain name for 10 years and having a 'catch all and forward to gmail' rule setup.
This is the easiest way to do this since most domain registrars have a forwarding option. Cloudflare recently introduced Email Routing, which has been working well for me.
> But what if I get reported on my domain name? What if that gets suspended or blacklisted too?
Usually IPs or blocks of IPs get reported for spam, not domains. So in case the SMTP server you use starts to see a drop in reputation you can always change to another one without affecting your deliverability.
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#240> lost access to paid services that I had set up with social login I signed up to Quora with my Facebook account, back in the day. Deleted Facebook in 2013 and lost access to my Quora account, with no possible way to recover it. I haven't used a social login since. In my case, it was fairly harmless, but it made me realise how dangerous social login is. Every time there's a signup, I look for "signup with email". It'…
There really needs to be a zero cost custom-domain email hosting solution. I'd love to have webmail on my own domain, hosted by someone else, and with ads on the side. Those ads should generate ~$20 per user per year (after all, they can be targeted based on emails I'm sending and receiving, and I'll be looking at them many minutes every day - the perfect combination for high revenue ads). With $20/user/year, there s…
It is a basic utility, and it should be provided by (nation) states. Every citizen should have a domain, or a subdomain.