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Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?

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Post by kwhitefoot » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 10:45 AM UTC

2rsf wrote: post #222

kwhitefoot wrote: post #128

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Range anxiety regarding electric vehicles seems to be something that mostly afflicts those who do not have an EV. I have a 2015 Model S 70D with a range of about 330 km. In the three years and 70 thousand km that I have been driving it I have had only three occasions when I was anxious about the range. Most new EVs have better range than that so most buyers of new EVs from now on should have even less reason to be co…

my vacation house is 200 km away and have barely enough electricity to support itself, many other Swedes drive further away and have less electricity available. I agree that for routine day-to-day driving, visiting friends running errands or even shorter trips, electrical is the way to go but it really depends on you situation.

> my vacation house is 200 km away and have barely enough electricity to support itself,

At least in Norway that is already practical over most of the country with an electric car, especially a Tesla because there are so many chargers.

I have driven from south of Oslo to two hours north of Trondheim and back at least half a dozen times in my Tesla S 70D. without trouble.

It looks like Tesla in Sweden haven't invested in quite so many chargers yet but even there they are typically less than 150 km apart even in the north and of course there are more public chargers being built all the time.

I agree that most other brands of car have had rather shorter range but they are catching up rapidly.

Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?

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Post by nikau » Thu, Apr 08, 2021, 1:54 PM UTC

lowbloodsugar wrote: post #227

nikau wrote: post #220

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What's the point of compartmentalizing it other than to push a misleading "EVs are cheaper" narrative? If it costs money its adds to the total cost of ownership, whether its preventative maintenance or unscheduled break fix. The only difference with preventative is its scheduled so you can organize the work to fit your schedule without much inconvenience. At the end of the day you need to factor in the entire cost of…

"Analysis of real-world maintenance and repair cost data from thousands of CR members shows that BEV and PHEV owners are paying half as much as ICE owners are paying to repair and maintain their vehicles." - Consumer Reports [1] [1] https://advocacy.consumerreports.org/wp-content/uploads/2020...

Yeah that document is up there with Gartner research in terms of integrity.

Ignoring the fact they used "predicted five-year residual values" for their real word data, and the fact they compare a telsa model 3 to an BMW/Audi/Lexus rather than a Camry or something in the same actual class, the operational costs are nowhere near "half" in their own table, eg.

A telsa model 3 over "lifetime" is $49,800 whereas a Lexus is $63,200 - significantly less than $99,600.

Oh and thats skipping the insurance and charger costs too.

Its a biased piece of toilet paper.

Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?

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Post by 2rsf » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 7:42 AM UTC

kwhitefoot wrote: post #231

2rsf wrote: post #222

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my vacation house is 200 km away and have barely enough electricity to support itself, many other Swedes drive further away and have less electricity available. I agree that for routine day-to-day driving, visiting friends running errands or even shorter trips, electrical is the way to go but it really depends on you situation.

> my vacation house is 200 km away and have barely enough electricity to support itself, At least in Norway that is already practical over most of the country with an electric car, especially a Tesla because there are so many chargers. I have driven from south of Oslo to two hours north of Trondheim and back at least half a dozen times in my Tesla S 70D. without trouble. It looks like Tesla in Sweden haven't invested…

How does it work practically? you stop for a long lunch and hope for a free charger?

Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?

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Post by siddharth-hacks » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 5:12 PM UTC

With increase in population and decrease in fossil fuel level. Humans could definitely shift to electric vehicles for betterment and safety.

Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?

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Post by kwhitefoot » Tue, Apr 13, 2021, 8:51 PM UTC

2rsf wrote: post #233

kwhitefoot wrote: post #231

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> my vacation house is 200 km away and have barely enough electricity to support itself, At least in Norway that is already practical over most of the country with an electric car, especially a Tesla because there are so many chargers. I have driven from south of Oslo to two hours north of Trondheim and back at least half a dozen times in my Tesla S 70D. without trouble. It looks like Tesla in Sweden haven't invested…

How does it work practically? you stop for a long lunch and hope for a free charger?

I have only ever had to wait at the busiest chargers and they are all in high population density areas, not in the mountains. Even then I have never waited more than 20 minutes.

I have driven and charged my car at Tesla stations in Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France, and the UK and I think there are only two Tesla chargers that I have had to wait at: Lier South and Lier North, both just north east of Drammen on the E18 on the way to and from Oslo respectively.

The situation is not so rosy if you can't use a Tesla but this is only a problem for me when I visit the UK because of the very uneven distribution of Tesla chargers. However number of chargers, both Tesla and others, is growing rapidly almost everywhere in Europe so the problem is getting less acute.

Re: Ask HN: What will be the future differentiator in electric vehicles?

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Post by Sleepytime » Sat, Apr 17, 2021, 2:14 PM UTC

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #187

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You're completely wrong on this one. You chalk a vehicle's engine-as-soul up to marketing, even though it's something that can be felt without knowing anything about the vehicle or its history. Yet you think some backstory about how it's made defines it's soul? That screams marketing. Half of the mass produced things I buy have a blurb about the backstory and passion that the founders had on the box. I've had motorcy…

> I've had motorcycle engines with the following configurations (among many others): - 200cc single cylinder - 250cc single cylinder - 650cc single cylinder - 250cc two-stroke single - 500cc two-stroke single - 300cc parallel twin - 800cc parallel twin - 650cc v-twin - 1200cc opposed twin - 900cc inline triple - 650cc inline four - 1000c inline four But have you had one with FOUR TURBOS? https://youtu.be/NeaxbS1mNPw

That's bonkers, I love it!

I've never actually owned a motorcycle with a turbo before. It kind of scares me. I've been caught off guard by hitting the power band on a small 2-stroke many times, I can only speculate about the turbo lag on a bigger motor and it sounds kind of scary.