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Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

hutzlibu wrote: post #218
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Just last year I had to teach neighbours and such to use a launcher like Evie which lets you hide apps. Many were stopped during random street checks and that saved their Turkey. Heh. 8 months or so ago I was stooped because it looked like I was "recording a video" on my phone when actually I was. Took a slow turn, double press power button and pickachu face that I wasnt. Still a couple guys around helped or I…

"No. I havent read Rushdie. It has that whole demon verse thing around him, he isnt liked" Well, he did made many people aware of the conflict, which created attention, which results in indian police having to give interviews to the intercept for example, which helps in some ways. Things would probably be darker without. How is your opinion on a political solution? Do you think independence would work out (if your bi…

i "think" i am safe. Recently a prominent lawyer was assassinated in broad daylight, that has gotten me scared. other than that this place is actually safer for non combatants than rest of the subcontinent and i can say that with authority. the governments otoh are not safe for people.

from what i have observed and from facts, at least on the indian occupied side, india spend like millions to convince entire generations about a local hero who happened to be pro india.

https://zeenews.india.com/india/at-2-3-per-cent-turnout-srin...

this was a couple years ago.

yeah so its not like people are not protesting, we just don't see a point in the conventional protests. kashmir has been fighting foreign invaders for over 500 years so its kinda in the system, to oppose.

as a kashmiri, i see no alternative other than complete independence. there is no other way forward, will that take 20 years or 500. Doesn't matter

personally i think all three of these nations have to let go of kashmir, not because of some altruistic reason but because of CPEC. india and pakistan "need" to pass through kashmir to access it. china cannot afford jeopardizing their project because of indo-pak squabbles. for them business is king and the sooner things settle down, the easier.

for us kashmiris, we could practically live off of port fees for all the goods passing through our borders so yeah, i am hopeful

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by i_r7al »

Telegram is based on the UAE. The UAE is known of their very strict monitoring practices of their citizens. Not until recently they allowed FaceTime to work there. I honestly doubt that Telegram does't give the UAE government access whenever they need it's a monarchy government.

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by daredevil_kohai »

hanniabu wrote: post #184
jakub_g wrote: post #173

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Durov recently announced they will smart monetizing through ads, but only in "channels" of people with huge subscriber count (which generates a lot of costs). Channels are 1:N public broadcasts, a bit like Twitter.

That's how it all starts. And how will they know what ads to show you? By mining your conversations.

No. He confirmed that the ads will be generic. Not targeted to people based on their data.

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by fedorhk »

bloqs wrote: post #228
tpoacher wrote: post #220

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What's this supposed to prove?

that it stores all of your messages on a server, and not on your phone. Your phone being in plane mode disconnects it from the internet, but you are still able to browse your messages.

Isn't it as they describe it? Unless you created e2e chats specifically (Secret Chats).

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by ffpip »

bloqs wrote: post #228
tpoacher wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's this supposed to prove?

that it stores all of your messages on a server, and not on your phone. Your phone being in plane mode disconnects it from the internet, but you are still able to browse your messages.

You don't need to 'prove' it. Thats their selling point. Access your messages on every platform.

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by skyzadev »

Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #154
faitswulff wrote: post #22

Signal’s claim to fame here is that they were subpoenaed in 2016 and could only supply account creation and last connection times: > The American Civil Liberties Union announced Tuesday that Open Whisper Systems (OWS), the company behind popular encrypted messaging app Signal, was subpoenaed earlier this year by a federal grand jury in the Eastern District of Virginia to hand over a slew of information—"subscriber na…

Signal may have only supplied that metadata at the time. But what I am concerned about is that if Signal is US-based, couldn’t the state demand Signal’s app signing key via a NSL, and couldn’t that signing key then be used for targeted attacks by which someone of interest gets a Signal app upgrade that is malicious (while everyone else gets the non-malicious app)? I admit to being somewhat unfamiliar with Android dis…

It's more about preventing companies like Facebook getting their hands on everyone's data and abusing it as well as preventing organizations like Signal themselves using / abusing this data. We won't ever truly know if Signals data makes it's way into the hands of government security agencies but I would say it more than likely does or it will if they want it to in the future.

If some government wants to get you they will get you, probably via your operating system... Signal won't help you. If that's your concern then you gotta stay off the internet to be honest!

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by dante_dev »

saurik wrote: post #119
dante_dev wrote: post #39

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Right! the keyword here is "Reproducible Builds". Basically once there is documentation about how to produce the release build, you can do it yourself and compare the resulting hash with the build distributed in the Store. Generally speaking it does no come for free, but once you find a way (e.g. for iOS compiling with a specific Xcode version in a specific OS with some adjusted config) is kind of doable (except that…

This has nothing to do with the comment you replied to, as you have no idea what software is running on their server, so what would it even mean to reproduce it in the first place? The correct answer is merely "the server never received much in the first place so it doesn't matter as much if they stored all of it".

right, I think I messed up with the reply while I was reading other comments.

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by hutzlibu »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #231
hutzlibu wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"No. I havent read Rushdie. It has that whole demon verse thing around him, he isnt liked" Well, he did made many people aware of the conflict, which created attention, which results in indian police having to give interviews to the intercept for example, which helps in some ways. Things would probably be darker without. How is your opinion on a political solution? Do you think independence would work out (if your bi…

i "think" i am safe. Recently a prominent lawyer was assassinated in broad daylight, that has gotten me scared. other than that this place is actually safer for non combatants than rest of the subcontinent and i can say that with authority. the governments otoh are not safe for people. from what i have observed and from facts, at least on the indian occupied side, india spend like millions to convince entire generati…

"personally i think all three of these nations have to let go of kashmir, not because of some altruistic reason but because of CPEC. india and pakistan "need" to pass through kashmir to access it. china cannot afford jeopardizing their project because of indo-pak squabbles. for them business is king and the sooner things settle down, the easier."

I would be more afraid, that those big powers next to you don't want to let you go exactly for that reason. They want to use your land.

But yeah, I hope that they can settle for that. Leave you in the middle. A buffer between them.

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

hutzlibu wrote: post #238
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i "think" i am safe. Recently a prominent lawyer was assassinated in broad daylight, that has gotten me scared. other than that this place is actually safer for non combatants than rest of the subcontinent and i can say that with authority. the governments otoh are not safe for people. from what i have observed and from facts, at least on the indian occupied side, india spend like millions to convince entire generati…

"personally i think all three of these nations have to let go of kashmir, not because of some altruistic reason but because of CPEC. india and pakistan "need" to pass through kashmir to access it. china cannot afford jeopardizing their project because of indo-pak squabbles. for them business is king and the sooner things settle down, the easier." I would be more afraid, that those big powers next to you don't want to…

Good but currently the land is divided between 3 and there is fighting. Unless status quo changes, fighting will continue. Its not like if any of the three forces its way on others territory and the two will stay quiet. Either all can have it like now and keep fighting or all let go and no one fights.

Well a man can dream. Right?

Re: Ask HN: How do we know Signal or Telegram don't store our data on their servers?

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Post by selimthegrim »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #239
hutzlibu wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"personally i think all three of these nations have to let go of kashmir, not because of some altruistic reason but because of CPEC. india and pakistan "need" to pass through kashmir to access it. china cannot afford jeopardizing their project because of indo-pak squabbles. for them business is king and the sooner things settle down, the easier." I would be more afraid, that those big powers next to you don't want to…

Good but currently the land is divided between 3 and there is fighting. Unless status quo changes, fighting will continue. Its not like if any of the three forces its way on others territory and the two will stay quiet. Either all can have it like now and keep fighting or all let go and no one fights. Well a man can dream. Right?

My sympathies are with Kashmiris but you have to admit Mirwaiz who sees a Qadiani behind every corner and Syed Ali Shah Geelani are not good PR for you.
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