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Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

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Yes, this week. Throwaway account because it's not public yet. I've been active in startup land and HN > 10 years, technical founder with one exit. This cycle looks like it will be worse than 2001 or 2008.

I’d suggest that it looks worse because it’s more sudden, and it’s more sudden because it wasn’t going to be bad, it just got all triggered “ahead of schedule” by COVID-19.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

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My intuition is that layoffs will be limited to speculative ventures; i.e., startups that aren't profitable yet and/or are highly dependent on outside investment. Risk is suddenly very unattractive, which is a major turnaround from 6 months ago. I don't think tech in general is in trouble. As a whole it's probably one of the least in-trouble sectors as the world moves online. We'll just see a lot of developers shifti…

Alternatively, lay-offs could be focused in companies who are profitable but with poor cash flow and who suddenly become insolvent. Earlier stage companies typically rely less on incoming cash from revenue and more on cash reserves from investment. Plus, investors have targets to meet on investments. They’re going to get more risk averse but they can’t stop investing for 6 months entirely.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

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At the beginning of the year, I decided it was time to find a new job after 10 years with my employer. I spent February doing interview prep and conducting interviews. Back then, the COVID-19 was mostly limited to China, markets and governments weren't terribly concerned about COVID-19. I accept a job offer, put in my two weeks notice, and my last day at was last Friday. Hardly anyone was seriously concerned about CO…

Could you check-in with the new company? I'm in a similar situation and checked-in with mine, and they said they were happy to onboard me remotely, no problem.

Yeah. I've checked in. They're planning on shipping my laptop to me on my start date. Everything is fine–for now. But things have changed so dramatically day by day, it's hard to know where we'll be in 2 and a half weeks. I worry when I see the markets dropping 7% every other day. I read stories how non-tech industries are cancelling job offers during this time. I think my future employer is well insulated, being a tech company. We'll see!

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

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At the beginning of the year, I decided it was time to find a new job after 10 years with my employer. I spent February doing interview prep and conducting interviews. Back then, the COVID-19 was mostly limited to China, markets and governments weren't terribly concerned about COVID-19. I accept a job offer, put in my two weeks notice, and my last day at was last Friday. Hardly anyone was seriously concerned about CO…

Start interviewing again. Seriously. Worst case scenario your new job works out. That's pretty good downside.

This is solid advice. If I'm afraid of losing my future job, then, better start looking now! Thanks!

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If my new employer bails, I might consider this. But I would probably try to find a new new job before then. Also, my boss wanted me to confirm 3 times what my last day would be, because, once he put it in the system, his hands were tied. I guess the LDO (Last day of office) process is pretty streamlined to tie up all the loose ends: halting pay checks, revoking unvested RSUs, stopping medical benefits, revoking user…

Not a lawyer, but I wonder if you couldn't sue if they withdraw the offer. Seems like a case of detrimental reliance or promissory estoppel. Again, not a lawyer and surely depends on which jurisdiction you're in. Also, you could post on HN if they do withdraw the offer during this outbreak, so other people would know they suck.

Many tech jobs start with a 3 month "fire at will" period. They might just give the OP one day and then fire.

I hope it works out though.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

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At the beginning of the year, I decided it was time to find a new job after 10 years with my employer. I spent February doing interview prep and conducting interviews. Back then, the COVID-19 was mostly limited to China, markets and governments weren't terribly concerned about COVID-19. I accept a job offer, put in my two weeks notice, and my last day at was last Friday. Hardly anyone was seriously concerned about CO…

I quit my job in mid January because of burnout, left London for a couple of weeks and came back this Sunday. I’m looking for remote roles exclusively. Now I’m not sure if the timing is perfect or just plain terrible:) Also, I stopped reading the news. I just don’t think refreshing Twitter every 10 min whilst self isolating can be good to your mental health.

I need to stop reading the news too, I’m in pretty deep now...

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

#238

Just found yesterday out that I'm being laid off at the end of the month. Sadly, I wholeheartedly believe that the owners are using the coronavirus as an excuse to close their already-failing company. The company has been in slow-motion dissolution for the better part of a year, and now they're blaming the entire thing on the virus outbreak so that they have a narrative to tell that covers up some of the mismanagemen…

A lot of weak companies will go belly up during an economic crisis. It isn’t that the crisis made them weak, just that being weak meant they couldn’t weather it.

In how they rationalize their failure, that is something people just do I guess.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

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Not exactly laid off recently, but I've been on a sabbatical after being laid off 18 months ago.

I'm about at the end of my sabbatical and was going to start looking for a new gig soon. Worst timing ever.

Not sure what to do now.

Re: Ask HN: Have you been laid off?

#240

My predictions: DISCLAIMER: I'm not a expert wrt. any of this. Don't listen to me ;=). It's all just speculation. Companies which plan to downsize since a will will do it now, using COVID19 as a excuse. Companies who have shifted some "bad consequences" into the future might now book them using COVID19 as a excuse for why they exist. Companies who are already on the last straw will end now, (Such which without COVID1…

I forgot: Small non-software companies with 1-2 People will have a large hit, and likely many insolvencies. E.g. it looks very bad for professional flea-marked trader or the small shop around the corner.

I run a few small SaaS side projects, and most of my clients are smaller shops that do web projects. So far I haven't had any cancellations, but I'm crossing my fingers over the next month or two :/
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