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Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by elagost »

menssen wrote: post #224

Nothing. I self-host nothing. My entire home networking infrastructure consists of a more powerful WiFi router than the one built into the modem that the cable company provides so that it reaches to the back of my apartment. I pay money for GitHub, Dropbox, iCloud, Apple Music, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Amazon Prime, a VPN to spoof my location occasionally, and Google Apps (or I would, if I were not grandfathered into the…

There's a third kind of person - one who doesn't want their personal data beholden to a bunch of faceless for-profit companies who have proven they care less about security and privacy than they do about money.

I don't self host a lot of services (and the ones that do could go away tomorrow without hurting me much) but I only have one cloud resource - email. It kind of has to be that way for various reasons; I'd self host if I could reasonably do so. I also think I value my $75/mo more than I value an endless stream of entertainment.

(edit: just wanted to say, thanks for posting this. It is a valuable discussion point.)

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by cannonedhamster »

munmaek wrote: post #15

On my FreeNAS server: gitea, plex, openvpn (w/ ExpressVpn), Mayan EDMS I am unhappy with the complexity of Mayan EDMS. I'm debating moving to Paperless. All I want is a digital file system that 1) looks at directories and automatically handles files 2) has user permissions/personal files so I can let my family use it 3) has a web form for uploads. I am planning to change gitea to sourcehut- the git service as well as…

Do you have a link for paperless? I've been looking for years for something like this.

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by GrayShade »

stiray wrote: post #223
dillonmckay wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, that would be interesting to note who here is in the EU self-hosting w/ their symmetric, low-cost, high-speed ISPs, versus the US, paying $600/mo for a 5 year contract for 10/10 Mbit DIA setup (anecdote).

I am paying 76 euros/month for 500/100 (This is max achievable, with latency at around 6ms, after replacing their crappy router (12ms+) with mikrotik, throughput can be lower but mostly it is throttled by source) fiber connection + 1 phone (50gb download, LTE, with 80% of country coverage) + max iptv scheme with HBO + static ipv4 ip and reverse resolve. I would love to hear what the prices are around the world. (edit…

In Romania there's an ISP with a 300 / 150 Mbps plan is 6.3 EUR/mo and a 940 / 450 Mbps plan for 8.4 EUR/mo. They also have phone plans similarly dirt-cheap (from 2 EUR/mo).

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by teddyh »

IanCal wrote: post #214
teddyh wrote: post #196

“Self-host” is such a weird word. Having your own stuff yourself should be the default , should it not? I mean, you don’t “self-drive” your car, nor “self-work” your job. The corresponding words instead exists for the opposites: You can have a chauffeur and you can outsource your job. I think the problem is entirely caused by the US having absolutely abysmal private internet speeds and capacity. Since you can’t then…

Hmm. I get other people to build my car, grow my food, generate my electricity, extract and refine my petrol, clean my water, I've rented cars, I get others to fly planes for me that I don't own, I use trains others drive and own. I do everything for little to nothing in my life, and there's no reasonable default as to where the line is other than a cost/benefit comparison. For my for many years owning a car was far…

> So why self host? Sometimes it'll make sense, but the idea it should be the default to me doesn't hold.

You can’t outsource your privacy. Once you’ve given your information to a third party, that third party can and will probably use it as much as they can get away with. And legal protection from unreasonable search and seizure is also much weaker once you’ve already given out your information to a third party.

To generalize, and to also answer your other comments in a more general sense, you can’t outsource your freedom or civic responsibility. If you do, you turn yourself into a serf; someone with no recourse when those whom you place your trust in ultimately betray you.

(Also, just like “owning” a timeshare is not like owning your house, having a VPS is not self-hosting.)

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by anderspitman »

mxuribe wrote: post #215
notinventedhear wrote: post #179

# 2GB linode instance ($10/month) nginx mailinabox (email, nextcloud) gogs 6 static websites 3 (dumb) little personal web-projects selfoss mumble openvpn # rpi-3 at home osmc (kodi) + 8TB of raided HDDs nginx chorus-2 in kodi publicly available (behind htpasswd) updated w/ dynamic DNS a nightly cron job rsyncs the from the linode instance # another rpi-3 in garden shed 8TB of raided HDDs nightly cron of the other rpi…

Curious, why the other rpi-3 in the garden shed? Is that for "off-site" backups?

Probably in case the house burns down.

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by rovr138 »

IanCal wrote: post #214
teddyh wrote: post #196

“Self-host” is such a weird word. Having your own stuff yourself should be the default , should it not? I mean, you don’t “self-drive” your car, nor “self-work” your job. The corresponding words instead exists for the opposites: You can have a chauffeur and you can outsource your job. I think the problem is entirely caused by the US having absolutely abysmal private internet speeds and capacity. Since you can’t then…

Hmm. I get other people to build my car, grow my food, generate my electricity, extract and refine my petrol, clean my water, I've rented cars, I get others to fly planes for me that I don't own, I use trains others drive and own. I do everything for little to nothing in my life, and there's no reasonable default as to where the line is other than a cost/benefit comparison. For my for many years owning a car was far…

> I had a VPS unnoticed recently I’d forgotten to cancel

I found on my Linode account one last weekend. It’s been up since 2010 running Debian 5, no updates cause the repos are archived. Couple of PHP sites on there which I don’t control the domains of (but the sites where active).

Last email I have from the people there is 2012, a backup. The company apparently is not in business anymore (I know the domains registrar was on the personal account of the owner. He might have have auto renew on).

Backed up everything there and shut it down.

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by HellfireHD »

I wasn't going to post mine until I realized that I'm hosting some stuff that I haven't seen mentioned yet.

    Appveyor
    Gitea
    Graylog + Elastic Search
    Minecraft/Pixelmon
    Nodered
    ruTorrent
    Taiga
    Tiny Tiny RSS
    Ubooquity* 
    WikiJS
    Zulip (chat/IM)
*I hate it, but haven't found something better

Also, kudos to those brave souls who are running Tor exit nodes!

Edit: Forgot a bunch

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by CarelessExpert »

elagost wrote: post #231
menssen wrote: post #224

Nothing. I self-host nothing. My entire home networking infrastructure consists of a more powerful WiFi router than the one built into the modem that the cable company provides so that it reaches to the back of my apartment. I pay money for GitHub, Dropbox, iCloud, Apple Music, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Amazon Prime, a VPN to spoof my location occasionally, and Google Apps (or I would, if I were not grandfathered into the…

There's a third kind of person - one who doesn't want their personal data beholden to a bunch of faceless for-profit companies who have proven they care less about security and privacy than they do about money. I don't self host a lot of services (and the ones that do could go away tomorrow without hurting me much) but I only have one cloud resource - email. It kind of has to be that way for various reasons; I'd self…

Not to mention a fourth kind of person - one who just wants services that work better than what the cloud offers.

By definition, self-hosting means the service is under my control, doing what I need, customized for my use cases. And because I use only open source stacks, I can (and have) even modify the code to customize even further.

And that's ignoring the fact that free, self-hosted options can often provide features that third party services cannot for legal, technical, or supports reasons.

For example, my TT-RSS feed setup uses a scraper to pull full article content right into the feed. A service would probably land in legal trouble if they did this. And while it works incredibly well, like, 90% of the time (thank you Henry Wang, author of mercury-parser-api!), if it was a service, that 10% could result in thousands of support emails or an exodus of subscribers.

Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by [deleted] »

menssen wrote: post #224

Nothing. I self-host nothing. My entire home networking infrastructure consists of a more powerful WiFi router than the one built into the modem that the cable company provides so that it reaches to the back of my apartment. I pay money for GitHub, Dropbox, iCloud, Apple Music, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Amazon Prime, a VPN to spoof my location occasionally, and Google Apps (or I would, if I were not grandfathered into the…

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Re: Ask HN: What do you self-host?

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Post by em-bee »

elagost wrote: post #231
menssen wrote: post #224

Nothing. I self-host nothing. My entire home networking infrastructure consists of a more powerful WiFi router than the one built into the modem that the cable company provides so that it reaches to the back of my apartment. I pay money for GitHub, Dropbox, iCloud, Apple Music, Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Amazon Prime, a VPN to spoof my location occasionally, and Google Apps (or I would, if I were not grandfathered into the…

There's a third kind of person - one who doesn't want their personal data beholden to a bunch of faceless for-profit companies who have proven they care less about security and privacy than they do about money. I don't self host a lot of services (and the ones that do could go away tomorrow without hurting me much) but I only have one cloud resource - email. It kind of has to be that way for various reasons; I'd self…

yup, i keep my data at home for that reason. except email. but i don't host any services, just plain ssh access, and recently i started using syncthing to share some files among my devices.
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