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Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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Is anyone surprised by the amount bootcamp folks in this thread who are now in "Senior" roles after only a few years? I'm not trying to diminish their accomplishment; Their accomplishment is astounding. But are bootcamps really that effective? I remember interviewing a ton of bootcamp grads from a couple of schools in Austin, TX and being largely unimpressed. You know that feeling after you interview someone where yo…

I have hired a few different students from a few different bootcamps in my area and found the students fell into one of two categories: highly motivated individuals who are looking to make a career switch and people who are "wandering" through life and see a quick fix.

The former usually have previous experience in the workforce and put in the required effort to really get the most out of a bootcamp to accelerate their career. It does not surprise me at all when I see them in senior roles a few years later. The latter rarely graduate on time and struggle to show any skill growth. They wash out of their new jobs within a few months.

Obviously when categorizing people's behaviors there are a million grey areas in between the black and white, but it has been my experience that these two different groups stand out in interviews. People in the first category would likely succeed no matter what they tried to switch into, they just chose coding bootcamps.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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I did Hack Reactor in 2013. My background prior to that included a year of college CS and a couple of years doing recreational coding challenges like Project Euler problems. I had been dreaming of a professionalizing my coding skills and getting a tech job, and Hack Reactor did that perfectly for me. I had several offers upon graduation and took one at a startup I was really passionate about. While there, I was able to work on and later lead a variety of projects, including a complete rewrite of our frontend and a large-scale database migration.

I'm now in the middle of my second job search after 3 great years there. I'm generally interviewing for "Senior Backend"-type roles that expect 3-5 years of experience. However, I have seen some prejudice against bootcamp graduates, and tend not to reveal that I went to one unless pressed. Otherwise, it's easy to be pigeonholed as unqualified to work on the backend. Interviews have gone well and I've made it to most of the onsites, with two offers already.

I don't keep up with most of my cohort but the ones I know are still engineers and generally seeing career success, though a few people have struggled. However, I think the market was much easier for bootcamp-level grads in 2013 than it is today. I don't recommend bootcamps as strongly anymore, especially for people with very little previous coding experience.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can, but presumably your situation is rare? GP is specifically making an argument about selection bias, where frequency matters.

> You can, but presumably your situation is rare? That's exactly how my career started. Which still doesn't mean it is not rare but maybe a bit less rare than you thought it was.

People who have careers in tech are likely to read an internet forum whose readership is directed at people who have careers in tech. So we aren't going to get much "people who don't have careers in tech" side of the story.

Hypothetical example: Say only 1% of coding bootcamp graduates find the program to be a "success" for them. All of that 1% read hacker news and zero of the 99% read hacker news. If you ask about bootcamp on hacker news you'll only get HN reader's perspective, then you'd believe bootcamps are wildly successful whereas the real number is the opposite.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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I completed a Front End Dev apprenticeship/boot camp with Bloc.io. I'm now the manager of support training at Zapier. While I think the technical skills it provided me with helped me out in my current role I don't think it would've prepared me to be an actual developer.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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I started a bootcamp 2.5 years ago. Then I spent 2 years trying to go straight into Product Management. No one would hire me without development experience so I worked as a technical project manager and my own startup.

Finally I decided to get a web developer job. It has been 8 days, we are using React and Redux, and its fantastic. But the senior developer left the team and now with 4 of us left I've realized I am the most knowledgeable developer on the team. This is in SF but not with a tech company. Luckily there is no stress and the hours are great.

For some reason coding on my own projects was only okay but coding for a job is amazing. The day flies by and I get really deep into my work.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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I attended DevBootcamp October-December 2012. I was the third cohort of this Bootcamp, and I believe it was one of the first, I think I'm part of the rare ones who reached 4 years of full time work experience after a bootcamp - which is the length of a CS degree. I've written a blog post about it here: http://jonathanfromgrowth.com/2017/03/14/From-Devbootcamp-to... > What are you doing now? Senior engineer at Uber >…

I'm part of jypepin's cohort (good to see you again!). I'm now a lead developer at GeneDx, and have been working there since I first graduated.

I was the first bootcamp grad hired at my company, and I was trained well enough there that we went on to hire three more bootcamp grads (of five new hires total). Those three are all still working with us.

At the time I applied to Dev Bootcamp, there wasn't any job/salary information for previous cohorts, so attending was a giant leap of faith that we'd be employable afterwards. My cohort seemed to be mostly made up of people who sincerely enjoyed programming and had an aptitude for it, based on my experiences pair programming with them. There were a few people from my cohort that I wouldn't hire, but I'd say they were in the minority.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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I graduated from Dev Bootcamp in San Francisco about 3.5 years ago.

Admittedly, I didn't really need to "learn how to learn" as many claim they did. That's fine for them, but I was already going in with that mindset. What I got was mainly an environment where I could study and hack on things with other people wanting to do the same, without all the distractions of everyday life. I could have done similar things without dropping thousands for tuition and a living situation, but I still may not have been exposed to more current technologies. If I had tried to study programming on my own for the same amount of time, I might have still been writing Python 2.4 scripts in Notepad to do boring things with spreadsheets. I would have wasted so much time and avoided diving into Rails, Sublime Text, JavaScript, etc. I was pretty smart before going to bootcamp(I could at least do script kiddie crap) but very inept in many ways.

What mattered after DBC wasn't so much the technologies I learned but my willingness to come up with difficult ideas and say to myself "Sure, I'm gonna learn X (language|framework) to get this thing done". I had too much of an "I'm not that smart" mentality beforehand. I never would have dreamed that I would ever spend a month and a half sitting in Panera Bread with a friend hammering out a streaming video app to show to employers. And it worked! Poorly, mind you. It was pretty awful, but also glorious – it allowed you to build a shared playlist and watch YouTube videos with multiple people, all synchronized, with chat, a vote-skip button, and even a way to draw over videos. It did work, and we both got hired in another few months from writing it. Granted, my first employer was pretty crappy, but now I've ended up working 2 years somewhere that I've been very happy.

From what I can tell, those in my cohort who applied themselves actually made it after graduation. Those who couldn't shake the "knowledge on a silver platter" mentality didn't fare as well. Simple as that. There are so many opportunities in our field that it seems that even in 2017 someone with the drive and even average talent can make it.

EDIT: I forgot to mention where I work! I work at KPCC, a public radio station in Pasadena.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are missing the point. If you are now working in Starbucks, you aren't likely to read HN _because you are fed up with this stuff_. Not because you can't.

If they're only interested in tech to make money that's probably what set this hypothetical Starbucks employee up for failure.

This was posted here the other day https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14497237

Most people outside of the startup scene, including myself, especially those over 35, are only in this for the money. That doesn't mean we can't find both personal and professional success.

Re: Ask HN: People who completed a bootcamp 3+ years ago: what are you doing now?

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I went to a code bootcamp 3 years ago. Now I make over 6 figures doing java in a LCOL state. The code place I went to did a really good job preparing me for the actual work. I am a senior level contractor and actually get to work on interesting stuff. I know over 10 people off the top of my head who also went to code bootcamps and are all making over 70k in LCOL locations. They are thriving and not hack's in the leas…

What does HN consider a LOCL state?

SF / NYC are certainly not, Mississippi certainly is, but where is the threshold? Oregon? Colorado? Vermont? Pennsylvania?

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