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Just want to say that I work with and have worked with many stellar coders from India. I'd suggest not writing off over a billion people.

You’ve missed the point entirely

Please don't post swipes to HN. It would be fine to explain what the point was, in a neutral way.

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I feel that most avid readers of the green book would behave like that. If you consider that cheating its probably better to find another interview method. (I do hate code interviews)

What’s the green book?

ISBN-13: 978-0984782857

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Early 2010's, Wall St software tech vendor: I had a candidate show up for an interview, in person, go through the preliminaries and then sit down in a meeting room for the detailed questions. As we got into it, the candidate often asked me to repeat the question. I was happy to do so, but after a few times, I was already taking care to speak slowly and clearly, and it was still happening a lot. Then I noticed a quiet…

I had this happen in a remote interview recently. I think the candidates helper had a language barrier problem. They almost made it through.

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I don't like making people write code live. Some really good coders just don't work well with people looking over their shoulder. I prefer giving people a take-home with an original problem to solve. Then, follow that up with a live call where you ask them some questions about it.

Personally, when a company asks me to do a take home, I say no.

What’s your approach? I don’t like giving take home because it’s too easy to cheat, and ends up being an exhibition in how much excessive effort someone will put in. But, I think it’s great if you can have a second discussion so they can explain what they wrote.

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This is exactly why the technical interview process is what it is. No point wasting time asking about backgrounds and describing past projects (all of it can be easily faked). Make them write code in front of you live as part of the screening round.

The coding portion is the easiest to cheat on. I know because I interviewed someone who did cheat. She shared her screen with someone else and had someone talking her through the interview. Somehow the audio feeds crossed, and I heard the guy speaking. The person on the other end is probably just googling keywords from whatever question you ask. You can throw them off by asking followup questions or adding new constr…

> You can throw them off by asking followup questions or adding new constraints.

This only works if the helper couldn’t get the job. I just experienced one of these, and I don’t know what to do to protect us.

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> Anyone who is doing this, you're destroying trust and making life hard for the rest of us. Sadly, they don't care. This is why we can't have nice things.

On the other hand, next time I'm on a 30 minute screening and end up getting left with 10 minutes to show them I can write a functional program they will be too worn out to ding me for silly stuff like concatenating Strings instead of properly using StringBuilder. "You really should have used the enhanced for loop for that .." or "You really should have used a Lambda there" etc. After years of tech screens like this…

I get the feeling from this comment that tech interviewers would be very upset with how I write scripts in research. Part of the reason I will never shift to developer as a job is that the interview process is ridiculous. In universities, the uni hiring process is so imposing on the researcher's time that they just hire people they meet through informal processes outside the formal system. The informal system is usually a single interview, send your resume through, and the researcher checks your references to make sure you aren't lying scum.

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It's a problem here too. Even if they use their camera, it doesn't mean they don't have someone feeding them answers to questions. Phone interviews are even more sketchy since the person who may be answering the questions is a completely different person who shows up on day 1. We had one person we hired as a contractor, but then her voice changed on the phone, and started calling people by their last names in chat. I…

> A third contractor I knew was trying to do two jobs at the same time. I mean this literally how contractors work. Unless they were taking your IP and using it for another company I don’t see the issue.

At tech companies, "contractor" usually means someone contracted from a staffing company to work 40 hour weeks during normal business hours. They're not someone who is providing an end product with the freedom to set their own schedule, like you typically think of when you hear "contractor".

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post #178

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> It makes me wonder if they are just getting into a completely different program with the "American university" name. Not op, but I can answer this. Short answer: Yes. Longer answer: Most non-terminal Masters degree programs are degree mills, even at well known universities. These are almost always pay-to-play with few opportunities for scholarships, TAships, or whatever. Most “real” students will enter a doctoral p…

I interviewed at Oxford for an MSc in Software Engineering with no bachelors degree lol. There are sneaky gateways into a lot of top universities.

Masters degrees not requiring a prior degree in the field seem to be common, at least as far as I saw when I looked into it circa 2014
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