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Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

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post #84

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A directory tracking where different communities are migrating (or trying to migrate) would be awesome. With Reddit down/private I can't go on Reddit to coordinate the migration outbound.

A directory of best communities on the internet sorted and nested by topic would be great. A web directory 3.0. Whether they are on Reddit, mastodon, phpbb, discord.

Topsites 2.0: Subreddits Edition. Now federated and decentralized.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

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How about we take this opportunity to go back to the old internet to a time where real free speech ruled. Remember how reddit started off, where ANYTHING went no matter what (as long as it was legal)? Do people have the courage for that anymore? I certainly do, and I'd love to hear from those who disagree in complete free speech for the next Reddit.

I have come to understand that due to rhe paradox of tolerance some form of moderation is absolutely necessary for the long term health of a community:

"The paradox of tolerance states that if a society is tolerant without limit, its ability to be tolerant is eventually seized or destroyed by the intolerant." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Another way to frame it in terms of moderation is "in order to maintain open tolerance, we must be intolerant of intolerance". Ironically it was a Reddit thread that helped me understand that tolerance is a social contract: once one side breaks it, we need not be tolerant of them any more.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

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post #164

Somewhat related, but I'd love for Apolloapp to break free from the Reddit API and simply become its own thing. It's backed by, depending on how you measure things, probably almost 50% of the Reddit community as it is. With some VC backing, or simply just crowdfunding to start things off, and continuous support from the subreddits that have gone dark, it could very well become a thing.

> probably almost 50% of the Reddit community This is the loud minority fallacy. I foresee less than 1% of the community actually willing to leave reddit. Spaz knows this. They are just really noisy, but not so many people care about the third party apps.

The difference here is that even though there is a loud minority, and I agree with your assessment of 'less than 1%" of actual Reddit visitors, almost half of Reddit is not accessible anymore. If there ever was an opportunity to create an alternative to Reddit, now is probably the time, and Apollo is probably the best starting point.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

#214

How about we take this opportunity to go back to the old internet to a time where real free speech ruled. Remember how reddit started off, where ANYTHING went no matter what (as long as it was legal)? Do people have the courage for that anymore? I certainly do, and I'd love to hear from those who disagree in complete free speech for the next Reddit.

When you're the less moderated alternative to a popular platform, you end up with a huge fraction of the users who got banned from that platform.

For the most part, average people do not want to talk to the people who get banned from mainstream platforms. People who post images of children in bikinis described as jailbait are creepy. People who advocate political violence are scary. People who share shock content are disgusting.

Perhaps you don't make exactly those value judgments, but most people do. They will avoid your platform because it's full of people they don't want to talk to or hear from.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

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The one being promoted the most on migrations subreddits is Kbin (particularly kbin.social for sign-up). It federates with Lemmy as well - apparently some folks think the Lemmy devs have questionable moral character so decided not to promote Lemmy as a primary option (hell if I know, didn't look into it). That Kbin instance is getting slammed and trying to scale up right now - many identical /r/{subreddit} are now av…

I do like the public moderation log.

https://kbin.social/modlog

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

#217
post #98

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> Public: these would be democratically run forums. The users would actually be able to vote for moderators, and perhaps even rules around them. This would be ideal for things like r/[country] or r/[city]. This is my biggest gripe about Reddit. Unlike hobbies or interests, I can't change my country of birth or (easily change) the city. So when you get banned from a geographical sub, you have no alternative. Some of t…

Reddit's moderation system is the worst on the internet. No rhyme, no reason, no restitution. You're completely at the mercy of little fiefdoms and people who are sometimes on power trips. I've been banned from my city reddit for simply stating that crime was becoming a problem. I've been banned for supporting trans rights. I've been banned for explaining stock based compensation. For describing and linking to AI too…

Reddit's moderation system is among the best of any big platform because of how easy it is for people to start their own communities if they don't like the moderation on a particular sub. And these new communities actually will get traction if enough people are upset about the original sub's moderation - see the whole meirl vs. me_irl situation for an example of this. (There's also r/gamingcirclejerk vs. r/shittygaming - the original sub still gets more posts, but the large, active discussion thread community moved entirely to the latter because of the former sub having some crazy BS happen with the mods.)

You don't get anything like this on big centralized platforms like Twitter or Facebook. If you get banned by their opaque, highly automated moderation systems, you're just out of luck unless you evade the ban. The network effects and the costs of switching off them are just far too high.

Good moderation at scale is impossible[0], and the Reddit/Discord/etc model deals with this pretty decently by leaving most decisions to individual communities.

[0]https://www.techdirt.com/2019/11/20/masnicks-impossibility-t...

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

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post #78

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I'll save a bunch of people some trouble. This is a politically-"leftist" site (top current thread is "How did you get into anarchism", along with something about ACAB). It's not really a general purpose Reddit alternative. So, if that's your thing, check it out. If it's not, probably not a good fit and the "better approach" to moderation probably won't go in your favor.

That's just how the community developed. Reddit was spicy as well at the start You can have righto subs on it, nobody is going to stop you or ban you. For example in the past they removed moderators of f/communism for excluding users pushing the libertarian flavors of it Here's TOS Content Policy Content is prohibited if it is bigotry i.e. Promotes white supremacy, queerphobia, transphobia, misogyny, classism, ableis…

> Promotes [...] speciesism

What the fuck?

> Apologizes for violence towards children.

What is this sub for?

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

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post #164

Somewhat related, but I'd love for Apolloapp to break free from the Reddit API and simply become its own thing. It's backed by, depending on how you measure things, probably almost 50% of the Reddit community as it is. With some VC backing, or simply just crowdfunding to start things off, and continuous support from the subreddits that have gone dark, it could very well become a thing.

VC funding is primary reason that reddit reached the current situation. Another VC funded alternative will follow the same death spiral. Link aggregators/social networks cannot generate VC expected returns without dying in the process. This death cycle of social networks has repeated itself in silicon valley for decades. At this point doing VC investment into social networks is like a game of hot potato. Who gets to…

To be honest, I am not all too familiar with all the pitfalls of VC funding, so I don't feel confident in either agreeing nor disagreeing with you.

Either way, there are other ways to both raise and make money.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to Reddit

#220

Whenever a site does something "bad" (Twitter and musk's BS, Reddit with their API nonsense, etc) people's initial reaction is to look for a site JUST like it but without the bad thing. That feels like stage 1 of grief: denial. Denial that the thing you loved is no longer the same. Maybe it's dead, or maybe its changed in such a drastic way thats its no longer the same thing. Regardless, I have never seen a successfu…

I disagree completely. Facebook was just Myspace without the terrible UX. Google was just Yahoo but better. Tech businesses can easily move in over each other if there is a way to make it noticeably better.
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