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Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by cookiengineer »

I had a similar problem back around 2015 when I could not dist upgrade the UbuntuGNOME I was using. Switched to Arch, which was painful to install (remember LFS?) but never regretted switching to it.

For customers I still recommend going for RedHat or Debian though, because the LTS support is great and the distros keeps working and is really low in maintenance overhead.

Whereas on Arch you always can fix it, but when it breaks you can't do that on a server without a terminal/monitor/keyboard, so I wouldn't recommend running it on server infrastructure if it's the host system.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by barnabee »

chubot wrote: post #162
ploum wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I want to highlight this answer. Ubuntu is completely based upon Debian. Going back to Debian ensure familiarity with tools (like apt). Also, the longer release cycle is perfectly adapted for people using only Ubuntu LTS (which, in itself, is quite awkward as Ubuntu was created to allow short release cycle for desktop users). There’s also multiple companies offering Debian support if needed. And it can safely be assu…

Honest question: how is Debian's hardware compatibility compared to Ubuntu? My impression is that Ubuntu had people testing it on modern hardware, either on the Canonical side, or perhaps on the Dell side (even though I don't own any Dell now) About 10 years ago I installed Debian on a desktop, and I remember having graphics issues that I didn't have with Ubuntu. I guess I needed the proprietary driver that Ubuntu of…

A few years ago I used to install Ubuntu because it just handled hardware out of the box that Debian didn’t, or needed a lot of effort to get working.

Now Debian seems to run on everything I throw it at. YMMV of course.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by 7373737373 »

I remember when I had fun using Ubuntu. My main concern (and joy) back then was enabling wobbly windows.

What about now? The commercialization leaks through more and more every year. The Ubuntu logo is becoming as misleading as the OpenAI name, instead of the Kumbaya i thought it to represent, it's quickly becoming just another piece of spyware.

There is no way to create an empty file with a right click without googling and going through some bullshit first. I can't even drag and drop files and directories from the desktop straight to the file explorer. Who the hell thought that downgrading functionality was a good idea?

The "touchpadization" of the UI sucks. There is no way to configure how background images are displayed. Too much more bullshit every time that I have postponed the next upgrade out of fear it'll become even worse. So yes, I'm ready to change to something better too.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by nobody9999 »

kjellsbells wrote: post #195
cmdlinecowboy wrote: post #8

Red Hat for enterprise use, Fedora for personal desktop use. One of the largest communities you’ll find. If you want Debian based maybe just straight Debian. The centos debacle was poorly handled but I think what red hat was /trying/ to do made sense. The community just wasn’t there to sustain it. Red Hat was paying to give away free RHEL basically lol. CentOS Stream should have just been called RHEL Stream. It’s bas…

I just moved over from Ubuntu to Fedora as I felt I was starting to lose my edge: apt is so easy you forget that the other half of the universe thinks in dnf and I need to keep my skills sharp. Its been a good decision. A bad decision was to use a Fedora mix with KDE. It works very well, but I think its rough edges would simply not be there if I'd chosen the GNOME path. You get the sense that the RH team default to G…

>A bad decision was to use a Fedora mix with KDE. It works very well, but I think its rough edges would simply not be there if I'd chosen the GNOME path.

I've been using Fedora as a desktop for many years and agree that KDE is annoying. That said, I understand your point of view, but I find Gnome to be even more so.

Which is why I use XFCE[0] instead. It generally works pretty well, although I don't push it all that hard. Perhaps it might be a good desktop for you too?

[0] https://techviewleo.com/install-xfce-desktop-environment-on-...

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by joshxyz »

tigrezno wrote: post #213

I don't see the problem with snaps. They just work for me. Firefox snap is very fast and don't have issues.

Same here. Chromium, firefox, beekeeper studio, they are okay.

There was a bug in nodejs snap though involving the vm module, but seems pretty edge case to me.

On most normal user use cases it is more useful and not cumbersome

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by irthomasthomas »

loxias wrote: post #97
jodoherty wrote: post #34

I live in a region with a lot of government contracting businesses, so Red Hat Enterprise Linux is something I have to maintain a working familiarity with. However, I use Debian for all of my personal projects and infrastructure. The reason? There's no for-profit corporate interest directly controlling the project. The project's organizational structure resembles a constitutional democracy: https://www.debian.org/int…

I've used exclusively Debian on all my servers and laptops for the last 20ish years. Can confirm, it will continue to keep working, however there might be some things that piss one off in a similar manner as Ubuntu's snaps. I hate systemd for example, but grudgingly accept it.

If you don't like systemd why don't you run Devuan? It's just Debian without systemd. I'm running it in a VM now to try it out and it's been great, so far. I like having everything back to being plain text that I can monitor and manipulate as I like. Rather than logs being weird binaries that need their own special tools to access.

Re: Ask HN: What Next After Ubuntu?

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Post by retrocryptid »

Meh. I'm going back to bsd. Though I have to admit, the ease of configuring 3rd party proprietary drivers has sort of delayed my departure from ubuntu.

I'm real close to throwing out my Intel NUC + Ubuntu and starting from scratch. It's just too unstable. I tried going back to SuSE, but alas, it's everything I don't care for in ubuntu, only with different minor nits. Maybe RYO leenucks where I build all my tools from scratch.

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