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Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#211
If you are accustomed to a 40-hour workweek, just skip the startup until your kids are grown. You likely won't be able to do that at a startup.

If you can push to 50-55 hours a week by e.g. working a few evenings a week, you may be able to make it work through a combination of contracting, outsourcing, and grit. (If you do not do a B2C startup. Those are harder!) There's no hard formula, but the basic idea is you can likely earn enough to survive through contracting for ~50% of the hours in a year. Relentlessly triage your MVP and launch quickly to paying customers. Then either reinvest the proceeds into labor in lower-cost countries to iterate on the product, or take a hit to your billable time to do so yourself.

If you get to $X,000 MRR, remember you can likely sell the business for a decent amount of money and start again from a more solid base.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#212
"Are all startups at my age generally side hustles that become profitable enough to quit my day job?"

Mostly that is the way BUT not the only way. Have you saved any money to take this risk ? Can you work for say 12-18 months and not worry about paying bills if you quit your high paying job ? If yes, then by all means you should consider it. If you don't have anything saved and you don't live below your means, tough luck. You have to give up somewhere if this is important to you.

Another option is to use your money and buy a small project/business that has some cashflow coming in already. This may not be a hockey stick high growth startup but may be you don't need/want that ?

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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I'm 44 and starting a few small startups; individual SaaS products that are small enough to be able to complete to market in a reasonable amount of time in between responsibilities. Unfortunately that's been a year in the making now. Fortunately it continues to progress. There's an old saying; "progress is better than perfection" and I feel it applies to this phase of life trying to accomplish this sort of thing. The…

Why you choose Wyoming and not Nevada for example for your LLC?

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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My very concrete feelings on this is that you probably don't. Asking folks how to do this is a bit like asking billionaires how to get rich. It's a fun story but it's overfitting. The individual narrative that made a billionaire is unlikely to be available for you. If you ask some millionaires they may be more likely to give you some useful advice around sound investment strategies, living within your means, and iden…

Disagree. Not every startup has to be a massive success, not every founder needs to be a billionaire, and not everyone has to work like Elon Musk - you’re probably not sending rockets to Mars.

OP might be very happy with a company with no employees that makes 200k a year.

To the OP: save up for 6 months of working on your own thing, OR, launch loads of little experiment MVPs that don’t need lots of work to get _something_ out quickly.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#215
You may consider and intermediate step of shifting to consulting where you can capture more value and free up more time.

Also partnering with existing projects.

Perhaps there is a start-up in the realm of helping people like yourself do what you want to do.

But you may want to ask yourself why. If it’s just that you are itching to gamble with your families financial future, perhaps back off.

If you feel you have an idea worth pursuing, go for it.

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

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My very concrete feelings on this is that you probably don't. Asking folks how to do this is a bit like asking billionaires how to get rich. It's a fun story but it's overfitting. The individual narrative that made a billionaire is unlikely to be available for you. If you ask some millionaires they may be more likely to give you some useful advice around sound investment strategies, living within your means, and iden…

Agreed 100%. When people ask me what the best time is to work on a startup, it's always when you have no dependents, living with parents, and perhaps no significant other. It's quite amazing just how much you can skim down your expenses at that point in life. Minimizing expenses, maximizing runway. The rest is luck. Just blind luck.

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Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#217
The idea that most successful startups are created by people in their early twenties is basically a myth. The median age according to the various bits of research I've seen over the years is somewhere around 35 - 45. And yes, that includes unicorns. [1][2][3][4]

I've never seen any research on the topic but I have a strong suspicion that if you looked at the failure rate of startups founded by 20 years old it would be vastly higher than that of startups founded by 40 year olds, as 40 year olds are likely to be able to invest their own funds in the early stages, have industry expertise and contacts, and are more likely to have learned the interpersonal skills to manage relationships with co-founders, customers, funders etc. They also probably know the market that they are going into so have a much smaller space to search for product market fit than a 20 year old with less knowledge. There are exceptions of course.

But the honest reality is that if you don't have a year or two's cushion where you can continue to pay the bills while pursuing your startup you probably shouldn't do it if you have kids and a family, unless your partner is willing and able to pick up the slack financially. That's assuming you go for the classical silicon valley "let's dedicate every waking hour to building our tinder clone for chinchillas that will revolutionise fuzzball breeding" tech-bro method of working on a startup. It might be saner to take a slower approach and bootstrap to begin with while seeing if you can work part time.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/27/super-founders-median-age-of... [2] https://hbr.org/2018/07/research-the-average-age-of-a-succes... [3] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1220545/founder-age-star... [4] https://startups.co.uk/news/average-age-of-startup-founder/

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's your startup, choose a location to work that's close to home, and have the kids come over. I fondly remember running around the overly large halls of various companies my dad worked for which were startup or startup adjacent.

This brings back fond memories of playing tag with my brothers through the cubicles where my dad worked when he had weekend work to do, complete with a vending machine room and some desks that had bowls of M&Ms. It was great fun!

Would love to hear more haha, sounds like your dad did a good job juggling it all if you look fondly back on it

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#219
> I have a well paying job now, and I am pretty sure I would throw my marriage into chaos if I told my wife I was leaving my job to pursue a start up.

This is a conversation you should have with your spouse. Many spouses go back to school or pursue a financially risky entrepreneurial path. The other spouse supports the family. I've also seen this blow up, as the fiancee/spouse that supported the partner gets dumped after shortly after success... If you do this, I strongly encourage you to offer your spouse a generous postnuptial agreement (i.e. more than CA family law defaults to.)

Re: Ask HN: How do you start a startup in your 30s when you have wife/kids/mortgage?

#220
> I want to start my own company, but Im not sure how to pay my bills while looking for product-market-fit.

Not sure how much this applies in 2022, but in 2020 I started a company with a wife and one kid. Since then I've had another kid.

Here's how I did it.

- First, and most importantly, I didn't leave my previous job until I could draw a salary from my new company. This meant waiting until we raised a round of funding.

- Second, to raise a round of funding without a product, you need at least one of the following. 1.) some semblance of traction. For B2B this could be letters of intent from potential customers, a waitlist, etc. Anything showing that people actually want the thing. You would build this while employed elsewhere. 2.) previous success building and selling a startup.

- Third, to justify drawing a salary as a founder, you really need to be doing things that otherwise you'd hire people to do. This means working insane hours (80+ per week). I'm never really not working. Luckily I enjoy my work, and I still find time for my family. It just means I'm working randomly in 2-4 hour chunks pretty much 24 hours per day. If you're not ready to do this, or your family isn't, then don't start a startup.

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