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Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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I hope this viewpoint becomes a bit more accepted. The human brain is so complex and we love to put ideas in little boxes, hence the term ADHD. In X number of decades, there's a very good chance we will all look back and realize how dead wrong we were about ADHD, attention, and our extremely crude methods of "curing" it. It blows my mind that especially in American society we are so accepting of putting millions of p…

Surely there are other treatments for ADHD beyond the simple pharmaceutical cures, and it would be salutary to diagnose people so they can try those strategies and get the help they need.

There are. Heaps. And you try them all

Talk therapy is incredibly important. People with ADHD can often suffer from rejection dysphoria and depending on how long until they realise, or how self aware they are, they end up internalising a lot of negative opinions and shame about themselves that needs to be unwound. There are a lot of issues around the pain of "never fitting in" or being understood. Some of these are a result of behaviours that aren't the social norm and so they become marginalised. Others are where differences in processing and learning information are labeled as "stupid" at a young age, when the child probably has a similar IQ to their peers.

Neurofeedback can be used with good success to help "rewire" particular issues with emotion dysregulation for instance. It can be expensive and requires a lot of time to train the brain to a different mode of operation.

Coaching, specifically around time-management and task-management. A lot of people with ADHD suffer from time-blindness. Their perception and relationship with time can be.... complicated. Calendars, specifically having a rigid system for what goes on them, regularly reviewing them, keeping them and a large easy to read clock visible at all times etc can really help.

A good water bottle with a straw. No one really knows why but there are a lot of hypotheses. - One thing that never gets mentioned is the relationship between ADHD and food. Generally the nervous system does a pretty terrible job at letting an ADHD person know, when they are hungry, when they are thirsty, when they need the bathroom. Combined with time-blindness, maybe some stress induced hyper-focus because you're falling behind on whatever you need to do, ADHDers will suddenly realise they've missed lunch and binge eat simple food that doesn't require preparation. Preparing a meal would be akin to telling someone with a deadline to just go run a quick marathon first. It'll feel like one or the other, and in some cases, depending on energy levels it will be. - but back to the water bottle. Using the straw means you don't divert your gaze from what you are doing. Your brain doesn't have to judge how full it is and tilt the glass accordingly, if it's big you don't have to get up to refill it. Frictionless hydration.

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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I apologize if my response is kind of all over the place. I am somewhat of rush this morning, but I wanted to throw my hat into the ring. To contrast the other user who replied, I have been on stimulants for 8 years now. I will say that there is a very notable drop in efficacy. Not enough to justify stopping them all together, but I'd say I get about 50% of the benefit on my best days. I would consider my current exp…

Does limiting the number of days you take medication (mon-fri and/or doing x weeks on, x weeks off) help in any way? I've always read threads like these and thought, yes that definitely sounds like me, but I have always been hesitant to get dependent on a medication...

As far as I am concerned, we are all dependent on "something." Prior to medications, I was dependent on moderately high consumption of coffee and tea.

Many patients and providers are both afraid of "dependency." However, what seems to escape me is -- isn't that somewhat of the point?

I depend on the medications to help treat a chronic condition. I see it no different than being dependent on eye-glasses for poor vision.

What many are worried about is the potential for addiction. I do not feel addicted to the medications in the slightest. I do not "crave" them or anything like that. I just crave/am addicted to not fucking up my life any further, and losing what I have barely been able to piece together. I do not feel "high" or feel "good" from these medications. If another medication provided similar level of functionality and was not a stimulant, I'd be on it in a heartbeat (I've heard the non-stimulant options are of dubious efficacy in adults... to say the least).

To answer your questions, does taking weekends off or weeks off help? Well, in the beginning -- yes. Taking weekends off for the first few years was highly effective. I noticed a notable increase in efficacy upon resuming my treatment.

However, something changed down the road once I stopped taking weekends off. I started taking weekends off again, but once I resume treatment, it now takes me like a day or two to "get back" to normalcy while on the treatment. However, the mild side-effects seem to be stronger upon resuming (this was always true).

From what I understand, it takes longer than two days to clear the medication from your system (half-life is around 10-12 hours), so weekends might not be enough time off for me.

As for weeks, I have not taken weeks off in probably 6 years, because I have not been at a point in my life where I have been able to do such. This has more to do with my employment than the medication i.e. the longest I have had off work is 5 consecutive work days in 6 years, so that is the main reason (I need a new job).

Though from what I have discusses with others, taking weeks off here and there is far more effective than weekends off. Current research claims there is no tolerance build-up, and the only tolerance that one acquires is to the negative effects, but I call bullshit.

However, I will leave you with this. I have always felt that these medications were a gigantic help -- especially in the beginning. Though when I look back on my life, things really aren't, nor were they truly ever, "better." I did not magically turn from a struggling developer into a FAANG prodigy. I was your below average, struggling dev in a bottom-of-the-barrel job. After all the time, effort, and treatment, I am still in the same situation.

The doctors handed me a rx and I thought that'd I'd be on my merry way towards achieving the things I wanted in life, but I have come to realize over the years that it's not that simple.

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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I hope this viewpoint becomes a bit more accepted. The human brain is so complex and we love to put ideas in little boxes, hence the term ADHD. In X number of decades, there's a very good chance we will all look back and realize how dead wrong we were about ADHD, attention, and our extremely crude methods of "curing" it. It blows my mind that especially in American society we are so accepting of putting millions of p…

ADHD is a broad spectrum of developmental delay issues that present as different behaviours but can be observed in ECGs. There is no "cure". Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. There are only strategies for minimising the unwanted effects that cause disruption to your life. The large portion of people taking stimulant ADHD medication to "study" are not by and large getting the same effec…

So we'll treat a broad spectrum of issues with amphetamines in order to level to playing field... got it.

My point is that we don't really know what this disorder is, or its root causes. An ECG can reveal its presence in the same way an EKG can reveal certain arrhythmia. However, in the case of EKG, you can't truly determine the cause of arrhythmia; is it cardiomyopathy, fibrosis, stenosis, a combination, etc. Now imagine trying to make the same leap of faith with the brain which is infinitely more complex, less studied, and less understood. Follow that up with a draconian treatment such as amphetamine prescription. Yikes

My prediction is that ADHD as a term will either be scrapped or used an umbrella as we learn more about the nuance and complexity of attention disorders. Making broad claims about what ADHD is and how medications can potentially treat it, at this point in time, is totally ridiculous.

Are we really going to pretend that the millions of Americans prescribed these drugs are actually suffering from ADHD to the point that pharmacology is a necessary intervention?

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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Maybe try to examine your own perception of what hobby / job is. Trying to focus too much on your own sensation can lead to shallow engagement. Having a different approach to what a goal is, not too big, so you can finish it, and then see if you want to do it again or change.

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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ADHD is a broad spectrum of developmental delay issues that present as different behaviours but can be observed in ECGs. There is no "cure". Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about. There are only strategies for minimising the unwanted effects that cause disruption to your life. The large portion of people taking stimulant ADHD medication to "study" are not by and large getting the same effec…

So we'll treat a broad spectrum of issues with amphetamines in order to level to playing field... got it. My point is that we don't really know what this disorder is, or its root causes. An ECG can reveal its presence in the same way an EKG can reveal certain arrhythmia. However, in the case of EKG, you can't truly determine the cause of arrhythmia; is it cardiomyopathy, fibrosis, stenosis, a combination, etc. Now im…

Diagnosing people with ADHD can still yield them treatment beyond medication. The existence of the opioid epidemic doesn't negate the very real pains and ailments that led to people getting overprescribed with painkillers, either.

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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ADHD is at best greatly overdiagnosed, and the business of providing ADHD diagnoses is quite analagous to the opiate pain pill clinic debacle, in which 'physicians' got kickbacks from the industry for providing opiate prescriptions. With ADHD, it's 'the medication' that is being sold. Often, the doctor's client is actually the amphetamine derivative supplier, and the product being sold (on a commission basis) is the…

So I get that people have issues with lazy doctors who pass out pills like candy. But that's not how ADHD is handled. It requires a diagnosis which takes time, then pills are prescribed from a physiatrist at low doses at first. As someone who was diagnosed with ADHD in my 40s, it was a great relief and surprise at how effective stimulants work. I have struggled my entire life, and have burned myself out multiple time…

Maybe that's not how your ADHD was handled. You admit that your diagnosis occurred in your 40's, and it is well known that adult diagnosis is much more rigorous. To add to that, it's important to consider the rigor of young patients and the apparent effect of amphetamines on developing brains.

>Starting with the assumption that people are drug abusers is damaging, and is entirely faulty.

I don't think many people hold this view regarding ADHD-medicated individuals. The scrutiny, at least mine, is aimed at the doctors who readily tell parents that their child has this disorder without much testing, and then scribble a vyvanse script like it's no big deal.

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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Hi there, This might be an off beat chance, but have you had a history of or ever looked into the topic of adult ADHD? Changing several jobs, jumping between hobbies or projects is textbook ADHD, especially if you don't feel like you can get out of it and describe it as a "huge live hurdle". That is the same for me. Got diagnosed at 30 two months ago. If you have a suspicion you might have it, I highly recommend doin…

I’m not sure about the whole neurological dysfunction story. It sounds a lot like the now debunked chemical imbalance story for depression. So far as I know there’s no ADHD blood or other objective test. I am however sure about stimulant drugs being a shockingly effective productivity booster when properly dosed though. As the comment I’m replying to notes, it’s trivially easy to walk into a psychiatrist’s office and…

> It sounds a lot like the now debunked chemical imbalance story for depression.

If you are referring to the recent Joanna Moncrieff cherry picked literature review that had a press moment, then do some checking to see what her peers said in response. Moncrieff has a well established bias against pharmaceuticals and this is confirmation-bias writ large and has damaged the layman's understanding of what's happening.

There are objective tests for ADHD. You can look at how the brain responds under MRI or ECG to show the depressed activity in the prefrontal cortex. It's not required for diagnosis but anyone who tries neurofeedback or checking/confirming dyspraxia maybe as it relates to other nervous system issues.

What most people don't realise is the way stimulants work in the ADHD brain compared to the non ADHD brain are different. Superlatives like "shockingly" really mischaracterize what's happening and perpetuate a dangerous myth. Mostly based on anecdotes of the short-term effects of high-doses on young neurotypical individuals under stress. It's not the same.

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

#219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So we'll treat a broad spectrum of issues with amphetamines in order to level to playing field... got it. My point is that we don't really know what this disorder is, or its root causes. An ECG can reveal its presence in the same way an EKG can reveal certain arrhythmia. However, in the case of EKG, you can't truly determine the cause of arrhythmia; is it cardiomyopathy, fibrosis, stenosis, a combination, etc. Now im…

Diagnosing people with ADHD can still yield them treatment beyond medication. The existence of the opioid epidemic doesn't negate the very real pains and ailments that led to people getting overprescribed with painkillers, either.

Other treatments would be great, yet between the ages 6-17, of those diagnosed with ADHD, over 2/3 are prescribed meds while less than half receive behavioral treatment.

My point is that unfortunately these medications are still used as primary treatment.

https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/data.html

Edited for context.

Re: Ask HN: How to find what I am really good at?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Diagnosing people with ADHD can still yield them treatment beyond medication. The existence of the opioid epidemic doesn't negate the very real pains and ailments that led to people getting overprescribed with painkillers, either.

Other treatments would be great, yet between the ages 6-17, of those diagnosed with ADHD , over 2/3 are prescribed meds while less than half receive behavioral treatment. My point is that unfortunately these medications are still used as primary treatment. https://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/data.html Edited for context.

Is that accurate? I thought the moral panic over ADD over-diagnosis has been around since the 90s, where the narrative was too many rambunctious boys were being given medication. "The Ritalin Generation." Are you saying this situation really hasn't improved in nearly three decades?
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