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Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Apparently it is how it works if you go by Basecamp's words https://twitter.com/jasonfried/status/1168986962704982016 I'm making an assumption we're all talking about the ads above the results, as afaik you can't pay to shuffle the real results

You can't pay to shuffle the organic results. As for how much you pay for a click on any specific keyword, it isn't fixed and depends on two main things. I am simplifying here. 1. How related (google thinks) your page and ad copy is to the intent behind the keyword. More related = (generally) lower cpc 2. The reserve price that google sets for that keyword. It used to be a second price auction in that you'd only ever…

Where did you get this information? I can't find anything about ads on the internet without 300 copy paste articles popping up about 10 great ways to write ad copy so couldn't just google it.

Temporarily intrigued, don't go too far out of your way for my curiosity.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't pay to shuffle the organic results. As for how much you pay for a click on any specific keyword, it isn't fixed and depends on two main things. I am simplifying here. 1. How related (google thinks) your page and ad copy is to the intent behind the keyword. More related = (generally) lower cpc 2. The reserve price that google sets for that keyword. It used to be a second price auction in that you'd only ever…

Where did you get this information? I can't find anything about ads on the internet without 300 copy paste articles popping up about 10 great ways to write ad copy so couldn't just google it. Temporarily intrigued, don't go too far out of your way for my curiosity.

I've put some links below that might explain it a bit better than I did. My info above is a mix of from google's docs as well as experience, talking to others in the industry etc.

Ad Rank[0] - this is the algorithm that determines essentially how much you pay like I mentioned. It's far more complex than my simplified explanation as it also takes into account context around the user. The device they're on, their previous searches etc. So a user who is on their 5th search for shoes and is now searching from their desktop may be more interested in a product page than an article since google may assume they're ready to buy now and they always buy from their desktop etc.

Ad Rank thresholds[1] - This is the friendly term for the reserve price I mentioned. It's the reserve price for a keyword based on all your inputs. Can go up and down depending on how relevant google thinks your stuff is at that moment for the user but generally google will set a floor for it.

Just more info[2] - more info from Google about how this stuff is worked out and what it means in practice.

If you google around "ad rank effect on cpc" you'll get more relevant stuff if you're interested.

[0] https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/1752122?hl=en-G... [1] https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/7634668 [2] https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/1722122

When you think about what google is trying to do with ads it does make sense. If they let anyone serve rubbish for any search, people will stop clicking ads and advertisers will stop using it. Google loses out.

It's in the users (arguably, depending on how you view ads), the advertisers and Google's best interest to incentivise advertisers to make their stuff relevant and good.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Bookmarks have had their lunch eaten by lots of other browser features. Most importantly of course browser tabs, and url autocomplete, but also smaller and more recent ones like tab groups, pinned tabs and session restore.

None of these replace a bookmark list on its own but between all of those features my need to use a traditional bookmark list has become so small that I just don’t bother. The UX for bookmarks is there but it feels like a paper address book for telephone numbers these days.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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That’s why I build Anybox: To pick up where built-in bookmark manager left off. If you’re on the Mac, you should give it a try. https://anybox.app

That looks interesting!

Does it also have a way to deal with sets of "related" links? For example I might want to save and archive a webpage and its discussion on HN together or a collection of multiple blog posts as single entity. Currently I use org-mode but, even with org-capture, it is not frictionless and the mobile integration is lacking.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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In Firefox, I use "Bookmark search plus 2" add-on to find which folder a bookmark is saved in. Many other features I don't use, but including folder names in search is very helpful.

In the past, the "description" field was available for folders and I used it to store bits of information. I just realized yesterday that the description field is not visible for folders. I fired up an old PC running XP and the description field data is still there.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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You're largely alone. For news, people use RSS readers. For productivity - nobody's using more than a few tools, they keep them open. For rabbit holes - there's a save all tabs feature in chrome, you save into a folder. It sounds like you're testing the waters to see if there's demand for this and, there isn't :)

He's not alone. I also have a lot of bookmarks and would like to be able to use them more easily.

> He's not alone

No one claimed that he's alone, except someone in your imagination.

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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Shameless plug for my browser extension: https://dailylauncher.com

I had this same problem so I solved it and now can't live without it :)

If you don't like my opinionated interpretation, you can search for other "startpage" browser extensions that offer similar approaches

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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post #39

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savage. but case and point!

Not sure if auto'correct' or a mishearing of 'in'->"'n'", but in case the latter just FYI: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/case_in_point :)

just me typing too quickly for my own brain, thanks for the correction!

Re: Ask HN: Why are bookmarks second class citizens in browsers?

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I don't use the bookmarks feature of the browser except for temporary purposes. I run my own bookmark server at home, so I can have a much richer experience, independent of whatever browser I happen to be using.

I've been doing this for decades now, and it is pretty much perfect for me.

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