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Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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post #184

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Joplin is a solid alternative for me. You can also spin your own cloud or just buy a bit of space.

For mobile users, Joplin does not support widgets and never will. Its written in react-native and that does not support widgets. They have an open issue and basically responded with will not implement or support. I'm someone who needs widgets for my notes...

What widgets do you have in mind?

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Where I live I pay almost nothing for evernote (just over 1usd/year) so I don't complain about it much. I do try to keep synced copies of the notes in certain desktop devices just in case the service disappears one day. I also encrypt notes before pasting them in evernote of they are sensitive

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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post #200

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Another vote for Obsidian here. Its the first 'note taking' system I actually _use_ (even evernote wasn't as frictionless for me). Not an issue for me, but others might be concerned about its (lack of??) mobile support. I do all my work on desktops and sync thru git, so its not been a problem for me.

What do you mean by lack of mobile support? Mobile app had been working fine for me since its been released, at least for me. I only use it to access previously written stuff or quickly capture something to be properly edited later on my laptop though. So I’m not exactly power mobile user.

I couldn't tell you...which is why I put question marks in :-)

I just remember seeing comments about it being a bit behind some of the mobile support offered by other systems. I do everything on desktop, so I ignored it. This was a while ago though, sounds like they have a (new?) mobile app?

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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I'm going to reproduce a comment verbatim that appeared on HackerNews from quite a while ago. I remembered and kept it for reference because Evernote was supposed to be a 100-year company (Phil Libin's words) and the decline of Evernote was that one reason why I decided to own my content even if I have to use various tooling on top of it. I moved to a text-based lifestyle spiced with some formatting with Markdown eve…

You're the President of a big and busy company which is prestigious to work for, creates well regarded furniture and gets huge investments. The people who can't tell good furniture from bad furniture are kept away from the factory. What is there to fix, except Jim, who is pait to "tell white oak from red oak" but uses his self-proclaimed skills for sneering and gatekeeping and lowering morale and certainly isn't using them to improve anything. Let him go. If he doesn't want a comfortable position with 5 minutes work per day, there's someone in the factory who does.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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post #132

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How about their export file? What happens if/when this software disappears?

Markdown format in a SQLite database, and there’s a command line client to script it if you like. Joplin is excellent.

I'm sure Joplin is excellent and I hate to argue one against the other. The markdown files in themselves should be independent. I have used several full featured, rather excellent, note-taking software, where the export is not "open". Obsidian is the only reasonable system I have seen where the software is up to date and it doesn't do anything with the markdown files to lock them in. I speak of this as a single user experience. And no, I don't like the idea of Mac Notes and Windows OneNote either. I'm all for note-taking apps which keeps the data/files independent.

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What bugs me more than Notion not being open source is that the notes are nowhere on my device apparently but on their servers. I don’t have anything locally. If something happens to Notion or I don’t have access to the web, I’m done?

Notion has export function that allows exporting your entire workspace to Markdown, HTML, or PDF. I do it once a month so that. (It'd be really nice though if Notion had an automated solution to back up to Google Drive, etc.)

Today I’ve learned! I knew about the export function but not that you could export the entire workspace. I’ll take a look into that. I’m currently 50/50 between Notion and Obsidian, however a blog post regarding obsidian plugins makes me think twice…

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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post #200

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What do you mean by lack of mobile support? Mobile app had been working fine for me since its been released, at least for me. I only use it to access previously written stuff or quickly capture something to be properly edited later on my laptop though. So I’m not exactly power mobile user.

I couldn't tell you...which is why I put question marks in :-) I just remember seeing comments about it being a bit behind some of the mobile support offered by other systems. I do everything on desktop, so I ignored it. This was a while ago though, sounds like they have a (new?) mobile app?

I cant remember when it was released, I had access to TestFlight for a good while for being the supporter. But honestly, its great. I was amazed that plugins just sync between desktop and mobile.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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While I cannot comment on what changed in Evernote, eventually someone unhelpfully will ask you "WHAT? You didn't have backup?!", which is kind of a legit question. Until then, on Evernote's Tos [1] scroll down to "What Else Do I Need to Know?" and read point f) of section "YOU EXPRESSLY UNDERSTAND AND AGREE That". In summary, it says they are not in any way reaponsible for your data loss. Reading in-between the line…

Ok, but to be realistic, this comes from legal. Of course they will try to minimise the responsibility, regardless of technical possibilities. Even rsync.net which basically does data storage says the same under "LIMITATION OF LIABILITY" in their ToS. Unless you're ready to pay for an SLA on your enterprise contact with a company - who would ever say "we're financially / legally responsible for your lost data"? I cha…

That's the point though. You won't find any example, because none of these services would ever want guarantee of 100% data safety. That's why I encourage to think about what services we blindly trust without having safety measures (email, photo/document storage, note taking) and make sure that we understand the impact of losing the data and how we can prevent it.

On the proactively constructive side (and although my system is not bulletproof either), everything I _create_ first is stored locally and then a copy is stored server side (note, sent email, photo etc). First safety measure is Syncthing (to replicate to other devices), second safety measure is backup (locally and remotely)

Complicated? Yes. Necessary? After reading ToS's, yes.

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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post #191

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I’ve stopped using it because I can’t figure out how to make a nice home page with links to various notes and important links, it just dumps me in the latest random note. Is there a way to organize that, like in notion?

If you use any of the daily notes plugin, you can tell it to always open with the note for today, which is based on a template and can contain anything you want. iIRC by default it just opens the last note you were in.

So every daily note saved will have this saved over and over? Doesn't seem very elegant

Re: Ask HN: What Happened to Evernote?

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Unfortunately, evernote is interesting example of very strange behavior - when they become in troubles with slow backend written on C#, they switched to C++.

To be honest, I cannot say anything about e-note client quality, I have not used it at all (I try to use opensource self-hosting alternatives), but such solutions on backend side, look very odd for me, and not look trustworthy.

Returning to your case, at adequate services, should be possibility to backup your documents yourself, or service should have incremental backups.

So, in such circumstances I will first figure out, if it is possible to make backup myself (and will do backup; and will plan backup frequency based on value of day work for me - for most valued - daily or even few times per day; for less valued - weekly). If self backup impossible, I will ask tech support to return to previous state on server side.

For alternatives, as I know, e-note is best for its cost per client, I think anything else will be more expensive (unfortunately, self hosted FOSS solutions are more expensive, even considering, I trust them much more).

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