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Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by coldtea »

boogies wrote: post #202
coldtea wrote: post #201

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> in terms of having lots of the creators I like on it Are you tastes in any way representative of any large segment of the population though? Like, do these creators have thousands or millions of viewers?

> Like, do these creators have thousands or millions of viewers? Yes, Minute Physics and Veritasium are two examples I remember off the top of my head (not an LBRY user since I quit algorithmic video binges after abusing them possibly worse then I do HN, IRC, and assorted doomscrolling now :P).

But, Minute Physics and Veritasium are on YouTube. So, maybe it's just cross-posting and their 99% audience is not there?

Of course from a "can I adopt X" perspective, cross-posted content to X is fine, even if most users watch it on YouTube.

But for that to be meaninful on a larger scale most popular content should be cross-posted to Odysee (or original to it).

E.g. Veritasium is for sure popular, but it might just be part of a tiny slither of YouTube content that made it to the platform - so that would mean I could adopt Odysee as a YouTube replacement only if my interests intersect with that slither.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by SahAssar »

bullen wrote: post #210
SahAssar wrote: post #185

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I view twitch and youtube as two completely different types of content. Twitch is livestreaming and youtube is prepared, scripted content. Sorta like 24/7 cable news channels vs a documentary or drama series. A lot of people have a preference for one or the other and I definitely prefer the latter. Especially since the "news" that happens on twitch often seems to be twitch-specific drama.

Twitch is not for news! It serves only two purposes: entertainment and community. Large streamers have humor, but chat is completely meaningless with them. Small streamers (mostly gamedev) are the community that is meaningful. It's surpisingly small still, only a few thousand viewers that all watch many of the same devs. Game development is really the only meaningful thing you can do today that does not involve energ…

I didn't mean it was for news, I meant that the "live-ness" of it seems to be the main selling point for it.

> Game development is really the only meaningful thing you can do today that does not involve energy

I don't even know what you are trying to say with this. What makes game development more or less "meaningful" than other activities? How does game development not require energy?

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by bullen »

SahAssar wrote: post #212
bullen wrote: post #210

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Twitch is not for news! It serves only two purposes: entertainment and community. Large streamers have humor, but chat is completely meaningless with them. Small streamers (mostly gamedev) are the community that is meaningful. It's surpisingly small still, only a few thousand viewers that all watch many of the same devs. Game development is really the only meaningful thing you can do today that does not involve energ…

I didn't mean it was for news, I meant that the "live-ness" of it seems to be the main selling point for it. > Game development is really the only meaningful thing you can do today that does not involve energy I don't even know what you are trying to say with this. What makes game development more or less "meaningful" than other activities? How does game development not require energy?

It requires much less energy, and we need to virtualize life completely, only food, sleep and toilet will be in meatspace, everything else will be a open (so you can modify and resell) action (think super mario galaxy) 3D MMO with 1000s of players per server!

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by SahAssar »

bullen wrote: post #213
SahAssar wrote: post #212

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I didn't mean it was for news, I meant that the "live-ness" of it seems to be the main selling point for it. > Game development is really the only meaningful thing you can do today that does not involve energy I don't even know what you are trying to say with this. What makes game development more or less "meaningful" than other activities? How does game development not require energy?

It requires much less energy, and we need to virtualize life completely, only food, sleep and toilet will be in meatspace, everything else will be a open (so you can modify and resell) action (think super mario galaxy) 3D MMO with 1000s of players per server!

If you want to live in the metaverse, fine, but don't claim that it's the only "meaningful" thing.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by bullen »

SahAssar wrote: post #214
bullen wrote: post #213

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It requires much less energy, and we need to virtualize life completely, only food, sleep and toilet will be in meatspace, everything else will be a open (so you can modify and resell) action (think super mario galaxy) 3D MMO with 1000s of players per server!

If you want to live in the metaverse, fine, but don't claim that it's the only "meaningful" thing.

Well, until you give me a counter argument, I just proved it is!

The physical world is shrinking in every metric possible and it's accelerating.

The only way to escape it is through virtualisation, the kids are allready living there.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by SpelingBeeChamp »

sushid wrote: post #154
clairity wrote: post #153

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you offer a largely technical[0] answer to a business (and a politicoeconomic) problem. this is a common perspective bias of tech-focused folks of all stripes, and leads to incorrect, or at least incomplete, solutions to the problems faced by businesses. some of those technical aspects support youtube's strategy of dominating the online video provider market, but none of them are (even collectively) the reason why yo…

No one is asking how Youtube got there. The question is, how can you complete with it and I believe the above commenter gave a very reasonable answer. Your side point about it supposedly being an anti-trust violation isn't even a proper answer to the question.

The original question was not asking how you can compete with YouTube. It asked why YouTube doesn't have competition.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by clairity »

sizzle wrote: post #208
clairity wrote: post #206

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let me be blunt: you don't understand what (business) strategy is, nor any of the dimensions of analyzing it. there's no such thing as 'product strategy'; product executes on the business strategy using marketing tactics like building features the target market wants. product features are not a strategy. in a competitive market, there are two broad strategies available: cost (walmart) and differentiation (apple). you…

Can you point to some solid resources so I can get on your level? You sound like you know what goes on behind closed doors in the business world. Do you blog about these topics anywhere? Thanks.

get an mba? that’s how i gained much of my knowledge, along with general business experience (product management and founding startups).

less flippantly, you can actually find a lot of free mba courses online now. here’s one page listing some resources (halfway down): https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/the-best-free-online-mba-cours...

uopeople offers a cheap online mba, apparently accredited even (i personally can’t vouch for it’s quality though). investopedia is also a good reference resource for looking up random business concepts.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by sizzle »

clairity wrote: post #217
sizzle wrote: post #208

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Can you point to some solid resources so I can get on your level? You sound like you know what goes on behind closed doors in the business world. Do you blog about these topics anywhere? Thanks.

get an mba? that’s how i gained much of my knowledge, along with general business experience (product management and founding startups). less flippantly, you can actually find a lot of free mba courses online now. here’s one page listing some resources (halfway down): https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/the-best-free-online-mba-cours... uopeople offers a cheap online mba, apparently accredited even (i personally can’t vouc…

I wonder how much of your knowledge is from the MBA vs experience grinding in real business world experience. I know a handful of people who said MBA was worthless, only did it for connections and pay bump in their product orgs at F500 tech companies. Anyway, thanks for sharing a data point towards MBA, I'll look into it.

Have you read anything by Karl Marx regarding captialism? You seem to know a ton about capital and how it pervades society and social stratification of the workforce and labor.

Re: Ask HN: Why doesn't YouTube have a competitor?

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Post by clairity »

sizzle wrote: post #218
clairity wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

get an mba? that’s how i gained much of my knowledge, along with general business experience (product management and founding startups). less flippantly, you can actually find a lot of free mba courses online now. here’s one page listing some resources (halfway down): https://www.uopeople.edu/blog/the-best-free-online-mba-cours... uopeople offers a cheap online mba, apparently accredited even (i personally can’t vouc…

I wonder how much of your knowledge is from the MBA vs experience grinding in real business world experience. I know a handful of people who said MBA was worthless, only did it for connections and pay bump in their product orgs at F500 tech companies. Anyway, thanks for sharing a data point towards MBA, I'll look into it. Have you read anything by Karl Marx regarding captialism? You seem to know a ton about capital a…

plenty of folks coast through mba programs learning only superficially, but that shouldn't taint the value of the information itself. i gained plenty of confidence in the areas of finance, marketing, accounting, operations, etc. that i didn't have before and which was directly applicable to being a product manager and startup founder.

i've read a bit of marx but mostly in digest form. das kapital and adam smith's wealth of nations are on my list of older, original works that i want to read in full. i'm sympathetic to the labor theory of value, which both explored in their works, but most modern economists seem to eschew and even fear.

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