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Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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Why? Does something being "girly" strike some kind of negative emotion? I don't think it is bad to associate organized and elegant code as feminine. You probably should read the article > And there you have it. I think "girl code" is quite a compliment. Because caring about things like beauty makes us better programmers and engineers. We make better things. Things that aren't just functional, but easy to read, elegan…

Whether you see a trait as a positive or a negative does not mean it is useful to anyone to ascribe gendered terms to it. A female software engineer who does not strive for beauty in code, is she less feminine? A male software engineer who strives for code beauty more feminine than the female one? It is a useless argument to get into, when the actual way to describe the type of code would be a choice of "beautiful, s…

Thanks, you've expressed this better than I could

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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My career is young. I'm only (just about) 32 but own a small agency with a partner. This election cycle was tough. We tried to grow in 2019 with more staff than we'd ever had. We've always had a leadership problem of trying to transfer skills from the top down to help lift up employees that don't already 'have it' - especially (braggart time) me and my partners skills as I think our uniqueness as a firm is tied to my…

It’s interesting that you chose 2019 to grow, wasn’t that an off year for elections and political spend? Either way congrats on starting your own agency! I was an early employee at an agency (not focused on politics but likely similar to yours in other ways) and when I started out there were fewer than 5 employees including two founders. It was very top-led in the beginning, but as we grew to 20 people or so that bec…

Thanks for the long and very helpful reply. I wrote back but it also got really long... -- Yeah we have 2 year cycles so 21 is 'off' 22 is on with some good work actually municipal or ballot measures in 'off.' we typically ramp up 3rd quarter of the odd year. We hired a new senior manager/client connector role early 19 and brought on the handful of new FTEs last half of 19. This year feels slow, not having census & new districts I think is hard.

YES. That's the exact same struggle we have! making that transition from partner lead, partners doing the work, to having a more distributed 'assembly line' delegation of work to more employees.

that's good advice on client expectations. It's a struggle politics is crazy - very hard to explain just how crazy until you've worked there which is a problem unto itself. democrats really lack technical skill (at the level HN knows) because even most startups don't seem as chaotic and they pay way better. candidates themselves at the Congressional level can be the worst in causing this crazyness.

another good frame that you mentioned is thinking more in an engineering mindset of systems design might help me thank you! micro-services haha.

UGH yes pricing is the worst. That lower margin, higher volume growth is what we're trying, but I'm not sure it might be better to stay small with higher profit margin. We made slightly less profit this cycle despite having over 2x the retainers. I'm money driven so always want more so it's a big decision for us. We're going to try again this cycle - it's not like I'm struggling here, I still am doing well!

Sounds like your experience is similar on pricing. there are so many people who want to do good, come in and start a digital agency and charge no joke $2k or $3k a month for a LOT of work. And candidates and campaigns are super super cheap but in a really dumb way. Especially Democrats. Republicans will pay a flat % of what you raise, in that case the free market really does work - though sometimes too much bad incentive lots of gross (fraudulent) tactics; read the recent Trump/RNC pieces on their fundraising pages.

An example differentiator that is hard to sell or explain is we use an ESP that I don't think any other political shop use because the political features / tooling doesn't exist. I built that on top to make it fit political needs - and some other cool things like real time data for wayyy quicker reporting. I see the value, clients usually don't but most still trust us.

That switch alone usually gives a 4+% open rate bump which usually equals more than the difference in cost.

We tend to fit best & win more work with clients where there is an existing human relationship of good work or from the parent committees where our work and reputation is good, rather than just cold pitching on price to someone we don't know - much harder to win an account cold.

One good sign that we're doing some things right I actually just saw a report comparing digital firms congressional ad revenue and was surprised to see much bigger companies didn't actually have much higher Congressional ad revenue than us. But those big guys have bigger non-profit clients.

So that's a key goal for us to get more advertising. which in itself is hard; TV firms fight to keep their 'primary general consultant' monopoly even if they have no digital experience. It's gross we sometimes have to do commission splits have to give a % to tv firms just to do the digital buying (they don't do anything we do the work.. they say it's because they made the TV spot, but after charging the campaign $40k in production you'd think the campaign owns it...) sucks. but tv guys are the top historically that's who steers the ship right or wrong.

Plus Democrats barely spends on digital. It's ridiculous like PG, Coke whoever gets it and follows eyeballs and $ quickly. Dems are SO far behind despite seeing campaigns that spend more on digital ads tend to win more!

And again thanks for your input and just sharing your story, it helps I think just to connect and know we're not alone.

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My career is young. I'm only (just about) 32 but own a small agency with a partner. This election cycle was tough. We tried to grow in 2019 with more staff than we'd ever had. We've always had a leadership problem of trying to transfer skills from the top down to help lift up employees that don't already 'have it' - especially (braggart time) me and my partners skills as I think our uniqueness as a firm is tied to my…

> losing a key employee to another agency - the same agency the mistake employee landed at I've worked with those "mistake employees" and if they landed somewhere else that's probably the last place I would want to go. Though to be fair everybody can make mistakes, and you would have to access if it was lack of skill, lack of attention, "impedance mismatch", or maybe it was the general climate that was making this em…

Yes I've made a ton of mistakes. The worst are obvious typos, worse yet in a subject. The key thing is to learn and get better!

And I agree the climate or culture of our company is something we're working on and some people just don't work well in that environment. It's like a coin flip though on hires, the ones that you think are awesome sometimes don't do well and sometimes the ones that you think are green end up being amazing!

Plus it's just politics in general. It's really fast paced, high volume, crazy campaigns. the last months are like log higher work/money raised.

Re: Ask HN: What was the biggest leadership challenge of your career?

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Accepting that I was seen as a leader. I've never wanted a leadership position, I just wanted to build cool shit. I'm good at it. At some point in my career (I've been doing software for 22+ years professionally) people started taking me really seriously. I could no longer make certain jokes and I had to be careful about my opinions because they were taken (in many cases) as "the right thing to do". So I got in all s…

"Company > Team > Self in terms of goals, if I cannot accept that, I'll move on to a different gig." - This is a great lesson, however I would add Customer at the very top as that is whom the company exists to serve. Customer > Company > Team > Self. So many people I have seen who put themselves (I've been guilty of that myself) before Team or Company and then it leads to stress and work suffers.

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Accepting that I was seen as a leader. I've never wanted a leadership position, I just wanted to build cool shit. I'm good at it. At some point in my career (I've been doing software for 22+ years professionally) people started taking me really seriously. I could no longer make certain jokes and I had to be careful about my opinions because they were taken (in many cases) as "the right thing to do". So I got in all s…

> At some point I finally embraced it and actively started figuring out what kind of leader I should be. Can you expand on this? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this. What sort of leader did you become? I don't even know what kind of leaders there are.

I don't want to be a manager (I don't care about dealing with salaries and such). I'm a tech lead.

I care mostly about the personal growth of my team, I firmly believe that if I help them be the best they can be, the world will be a better place (even if it means losing some of them because they realize they want to do something else, the world will still be a better place).

This means sometimes giving advice, sometimes teaching, and sometimes getting out of the way and let them do their thing (even let them fail, and help them learn from the failure).

The scope goes beyond technical advice, I help them frame problems, think about what they want and what they really care about, it's a mixture of counseling and a typical tech lead.

The trick is doing it without making it forced or weird. It took a lot of exploration of my own emotional state, being able to empathize a lot, and allow myself to be vulnerable. This helps building strong, honest connections that I truly think get the best out of people.

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Accepting that I was seen as a leader. I've never wanted a leadership position, I just wanted to build cool shit. I'm good at it. At some point in my career (I've been doing software for 22+ years professionally) people started taking me really seriously. I could no longer make certain jokes and I had to be careful about my opinions because they were taken (in many cases) as "the right thing to do". So I got in all s…

"Company > Team > Self in terms of goals, if I cannot accept that, I'll move on to a different gig." - This is a great lesson, however I would add Customer at the very top as that is whom the company exists to serve. Customer > Company > Team > Self. So many people I have seen who put themselves (I've been guilty of that myself) before Team or Company and then it leads to stress and work suffers.

Agreed. For a customer centric company, it's definitely true (although some companies are not like that, and sometimes thrive anyway).

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Girly?

Yes, see https://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2006/... and https://signalvnoise.com/archives2/beautiful_code_testfirst.... I don't have good memories from the whole thing.

Thanks for posting the context for such a bizarre description. I can assure you that it's not worth continuing that train of thought.

However, if you want a positive, constructive frame the goal is self-documenting code. In that vein, here is a set of ideas I made a major contribution to amongst many other serious-minded software engineers.

http://wiki.c2.com/?SelfDocumentingCode

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Haven’t read the articles, but wow, this idea needs a new name

Why? Does something being "girly" strike some kind of negative emotion? I don't think it is bad to associate organized and elegant code as feminine. You probably should read the article > And there you have it. I think "girl code" is quite a compliment. Because caring about things like beauty makes us better programmers and engineers. We make better things. Things that aren't just functional, but easy to read, elegan…

It's a prejudice about the human doing the work. It's not complicated to understand what the problem is. You should judge the work on the intrinsic merits of the work, not the worker. Every human has the right to work and be evaluated on the work, independent of the nature of their birth.

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In the "Big five personality traits" model, you have: 1. Openness to experience (inventive/curious vs. consistent/cautious) 2. Conscientiousness (efficient/organized vs. extravagant/careless) 3. Extraversion (outgoing/energetic vs. solitary/reserved) 4. Agreeableness (friendly/compassionate vs. critical/rational) 5. Neuroticism (sensitive/nervous vs. resilient/confident) Excessive neuroticism (aka emotional instabili…

Wow, I feel like I fit both sides of 4 out of the 5 categories depending on the context.

Being in the middle of each spectrum is perhaps a good thing.

Being in the extrema (e.g.: being overconfident all the time, being anxious all the time) is bad.

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> you should have fired him intentionally yourself when he went over your head Is escalating an issue a fireable offense?

In many countries it wouldn't have been allowed to fire him. I wonder how it'd been to be a manager, if he couldn't be fired, and he continued contacting the CEO etc saying you (GGP, whirlingdervish the throwaway) weren't any good at your job. I guess eventually I'd quit (if I was in GGPs position and couldn't do much about it), and he'd become the manager in my place, if the plan hadn't been to hire another one.

> In many countries it wouldn't have been allowed to fire him.

I'm in one of these countries. If they have a cause that cannot be legally used to terminate an employee, they just look long and hard for any other misdemeanors and fire them as fast as they gather any plausible "evidence". Creative types can also actively put an employee into a checkmate, i.e. a position where no move or any move is a fireable offense.

In this case it could be as simple as identifying any part of that email as a defamation.

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